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Slimebeast on 27 August 2009
highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:

highwaystar101 said:

A. I was laughing because it just seems like such an unbelieveably high figure.

B. Whilst I am wrong technically (16% - 17%, whatever), I am not wrong in my unbelief because 42% of those households only have one person eligible for employment and so it is a cherry picked statistic to make the situation sound *a lot* worse than it actually is. 17% of households makes you think *WOW* until you look at the figures behind it, then it becomes more reasonable.

And it's about unemployment not leechiness, not all unemployed people are on the dole and the vast majority of the people who have recently become unemployed due to the economy are anything but lazy. Fair enough you get the 1-2% that is lazy but the vast majority of recent cases are people who are down on their luck.

In fact there is nothing more than they would like to do than get back into employment, the people who are currently losing their jobs due to the economy are not lazy and leeching of society at all, trust me. In fact it's made me a little upset that you are trying to bring laziness into a debate about recent rises in unemployment figures.

You really have good faith in people. I estimate it being 20% lazy people in Sweden dodging work, getting all sorts of wellfare to avoid work, blaming unemployment, health problems, social problems, anti-social behaviour, addiction or whatever.

Even if I respect Britons a lot more than Swedish people, it must be well over 10% lazy people in Britain too.

I do have good faith in people, you remind me of my dad in a way because he says the exact same thing.

My dad pays 40% of his wage in taxes, while we both agree that 40% is FAR too high he occasionally takes it out by stereotyping the people it goes too, which I don't think is fair. Why? Because he once made 20 people redundant in one day and he later complained about how people on welfare are lazy. Those 20 people wanted a job, it's just that he had to downsize after a project. So 20 genuine people would have had to go looking for jobs the next day... They were not lazy people.

With all the downsizing going on at the moment I would have real trouble believing that the people who are signing on are doing it because they are lazy. The vast majority of people are genuine cases right now.

Of course if unemployment quickly goes up, lets say from 5% to 10%, quite a high proportion of those extra 5% are indeed not leeches. Really, Im not talking about the Crysis here. I'm talking about the permanent leeches of the typical welfare state.



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Jackson50 on 27 August 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
CommunistHater said:
Speaking in Mexico, Obama Called American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty ‘Demagogues’

Amnesty=Full welfare certification

The problem I have with Amnesty, is people don't hire illegal aliens because they can't find Americans to do the job, they hire them because they are cheep. You make 12 million Illegal aliens legal, and you just opened up a huge market for more people to cross the border, and put 12 million people out of work.

Well, it is a combination of inexpensive labor and jobs Americans are unwilling to perform. There are some jobs that immigrants perform that Americans are also willing to perform-for example, jobs at plants owned by Tyson Foods. However, there are some jobs that, unless the wages were increased exponentially to an exorbitant amount, I am uncertain most Americans would perform them-for example, farm laborers. The best solution is an increase in legal immigration. They are going to come, and we have to accept that. The most prudent solution would be to control and track them.



CommunistHater on 31 August 2009

This thread got funny since I left

I got accused of lying because of a tenth of a percent 16.9 vs 17



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HappySqurriel on 31 August 2009
Jackson50 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
CommunistHater said:
Speaking in Mexico, Obama Called American Opponents of Immigration Amnesty ‘Demagogues’

Amnesty=Full welfare certification

The problem I have with Amnesty, is people don't hire illegal aliens because they can't find Americans to do the job, they hire them because they are cheep. You make 12 million Illegal aliens legal, and you just opened up a huge market for more people to cross the border, and put 12 million people out of work.

Well, it is a combination of inexpensive labor and jobs Americans are unwilling to perform. There are some jobs that immigrants perform that Americans are also willing to perform-for example, jobs at plants owned by Tyson Foods. However, there are some jobs that, unless the wages were increased exponentially to an exorbitant amount, I am uncertain most Americans would perform them-for example, farm laborers. The best solution is an increase in legal immigration. They are going to come, and we have to accept that. The most prudent solution would be to control and track them.

Realisticly "Jobs Americans are unwilling to perform" can truly be renamed "Jobs that do not pay well enough" and one of the main reasons some of these jobs pay so poorly is because an employer can hire an (often illegal) immigrant for a small fraction of what he could pay anyone else to do the job. When you have some regions of your country where nearly 10% of your population is illegal immigrants who will work for (often below) minimum wage it makes it difficult for competition for employees to increase the wages for a job.



Jackson50 on 31 August 2009
HappySqurriel said:Realisticly "Jobs Americans are unwilling to perform" can truly be renamed "Jobs that do not pay well enough" and one of the main reasons some of these jobs pay so poorly is because an employer can hire an (often illegal) immigrant for a small fraction of what he could pay anyone else to do the job. When you have some regions of your country where nearly 10% of your population is illegal immigrants who will work for (often below) minimum wage it makes it difficult for competition for employees to increase the wages for a job.

Realistically, that is what I said. Also, that is why immigration is not a bad thing. 



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halogamer1989 on 31 August 2009

That is because Europe thinks kids are just the result of an Amsterdam whore and that Europe is 1 big country anyway. It is the reverse of adoption of a single Americanized culture that immigrants of ole wanted (told their first gen kids to "Speak American damn it" after escaping or wanting to work hard) to now just crossing the border for the hell and aff. act. part of it.

OPPOSE THE FALSE ADOPTION OF A MULTICULTURAL IDENTITY! Rome fell when it adopted and appeased outsiders to "benefit" itself.



Slimebeast on 31 August 2009

^Well said halogamer. Within a century Europe is gonna fall like a sack of potatoes.



haxxiy on 31 August 2009

^ there is always hope things change in the future and Europe wake up to the massivecultural damage happenning within it's borders. Remember that just four centuries ago turkish armies where laying siege to Viena's city walls.

Immigration costs to California - and California only - about $11 billion dollars annually, enough to 'support' 600,000 child births in France in a single year.



 

 

 

 

 

jonnhytesta on 31 August 2009

 

yup, europe is dead and i blame the welfare system not the inmigrants.



Slimebeast on 31 August 2009
haxxiy said:
^ there is always hope things change in the future and Europe wake up to the massivecultural damage happenning within it's borders. Remember that just four centuries ago turkish armies where laying siege to Viena's city walls.