No, I think most people here would give credit to Sega and Atari as well.

Whether your 17 year old memory wants to acknowledge it or not, there have been far larger impacts on the gaming world than Sony.

Pretty much all Sony did was create a machine that brought gaming more mainstream. There really wasn't a lot of innovation going on; it more more "right place, right time". 

 I'm talking about the console consistently selling well, not a sales spike for a short period of time. Halo is a big push but I think sales will really pick up when 360 isn't so expensive.

You said Sony expanded the gaming market, which is presumably a reason you like them. Thus, it would follow that you would support the company trying to expand the market the most this gen. 

Also, I find it funny how much you bitch about MS tactics this gen when they are basically ripping off everything that made the PS brand successful.

And the wii is the most innovative machine? Just because it has waggle?

I think if it would be ps3>wii right now you guys wouldnt be talking this B$

maybe this thread should be cut short as I see a lot of personal attacks. Anybody agree?

People often forget how badly Sega and Nintendo self-destructed in the mid-1990s and how this left a void to be filled by someone (or anyone if you'd rather) ... Sony came along with a good piece of hardware (in part because of their work with Nintendo on the SNES CD) and really took advantage of an opportunity.

With the PS2 Sony took advantage of a format which was rapidly becomming popular (DVD) and used Backwards compatibility as a hook to transition gamers to the next generation.

Certainly, Sony has done some really good things for the industry but they really were a company who was in the right place at the right time.

Who said the Wii was innovative? Maybe you dont like it when people expose how contradictory your logic is?

The reason people talk so much shit about the PS3 now is because of all the years of PS fanboys puting down other systems. The boot is on the other foot, so to speak.

I think you overestimate the power of internet forum mouth-breathers.

At this point in time, there are twice as many XBOX 360 consoles as PS3 in homes. If the PS3 does gain momentum, and they can sustain it, what do you think Microsoft will do? Sit back and watch? There are enough tricks (bundles, discounts, exclusives) left in MS's arsenal to hold off anything Sony does. Until the PS3 offers something that's new and truly beyond what the 360 is showing, it's not going to overtake Microsoft's one year lead.

I'm hoping for the most cut throat, name calling, suprising console war, EVER. With the software and innovation that arises from competition, we are all gonna be in videogame heaven.

Nintendo Wii- Accurate Motion Sensing

Sony Playstation 3- An advanced processor and new format. (Sound familiar?)