5 dollars more for both hd movie and a dvd movie that I can take to my buds place or watch in another room sounds good to me. So I see no prob with my statement.  Also how much is a stand alone DVD now of days? Like 20 bucks?

You bring up a good point, but like I said earlier, if I had plans to take it all over the place I'd probably just pick up the DVD, if I'm looking to give myself a damn good Hi Def movie, I'll just grab the blu-ray for cheaper and watch it on my bluray setup, thats nice that my friend could want to see the movie, but at that point he should just come watch it at my house ;)

It's because many people choose a ps3 over a standalone player. The ps3 has been considered one of the best BR players on the market, and it's generally cheaper than all other players on the market. Why would you choose something else a $499 Panasonic when you can get a $499 ps3 that has just as good a picture quality as the Panny, better upscaling, and can stream media from your PC, play ps1/2/3 games, and will have more features continually added via firmware updates?

Sure, only a small percentage of ps3 owners bought them specifically for Blu-Ray, but there are those that did, and can't make a proper statistic comparing the sales of standalone players because it excludes this group of people, a group of people that have jumped fully into the format war just like those who opted to buy a standalone player..

Also, Toshiba shouldn't ignore the ps3 user base so readily. Just because ps3 owners don't buy Blu-Rays now, doesn't mean that they never will. Most ps3 owners don't own an HDTV, but when they do eventually upgrade, they'll already own a Blu-Ray player. For roughly 5 mil. people, the format war has already been decided, and that number will likely surpass 8 mil. by the end of the year. As HDTV adoption grows, so will the percentage of ps3 owners that buy Blu-Ray movies.

Toshiba should be very worried about this. Sure, they may have a 10% lead in standalone sales, but there haven't even been 1 mil. standalone players sold for both formats combined. How will Toshiba overcome the ps3 user-base when they start upgrading to HDTVs and buying movies?

Or you can buy the combo disc that only HD-DVD's have and not worry about it. I'll be able to watch at home on my HD tv or play it over at family or friends house with no problem. Like I said it's only paying 5 dollors more to also have a DVD version is well worth it. Makes a perfect transition for people from SD to HD.

 no, ive taken my info from comparisons done by reliable tech sources(Cnet, Engagdet, Wired, HiDefDigest)  which all have mentioned when it comes to picture quality, its generally the same (theyve even done comparisons between both blu ray and hd dvd formats of the same movie, and in same cases, blu ray is better, in others, HD DVD is better.)  

Not to mention with personal experiences with both(my friend has both Bluray and HD DVD, cuz hes a crazy, and have done comparisons ourselves with the same movie releases on his 50 inch HD sony, and generally they are the same, same thing as the sources mentioned.)

Anyone who says the picture quality is so much better with one format or the other has something wrong with them, personally.

 Just for a little info on the professional market. The new Digital screens that the major theater netowrks are using run a DLP projector that has a resolution of 2048x1080. The new digital screens look better than the older film ones. I can almost guarentee you that there wont be a 'standard' higher than 1080p for quite some time. Why? Just the technology. Not the digital side, not the storage, but more the optical, we the humans, also need better optics too for motion for the most part.

Well I've mentioned in a forum elswhere that the current "High Def Pinnicle" is Pirates of the Caribean one and 2, both of the movies reach bitrates at which HD-DVD physically CANNOT reach. They are supposed to be the BEST you can buy on disk at the moment. Not to mention both leave plenty of room for extas and top knotch audio. The basic movie produced by company's that support both wont look all that much better usually. Up until recently they were both encoded with the same format used to transfer to HD-DVD (the lower space format of the two) to save on production costs (reminds me of something else :P ) however, thats been dropping off pretty quickly and the bluray versions have been encoded with a much better format. And as I said earlier in this thread, King Kong was the prime example of a long movie hitting its limits. They coulden't do both, they had to sacrifice the audio for the picture, and in terms of me wanting a High Def movie, I don't want to sacrifice anything.

 I just think people weighing out things like "well this is good enough" is a horrible way to spend money, since when was "good enough" actually good enough? I mean when I buy something, I want the best money/product ratio I can find. If I'm going to shell out money for a good entertainment setup I want something that will satisfy my current needs and anything that I might need in the next few years. 

And @ Omac, if thats what you feel is important about your HD movie by all means :D I just dont feel like shelling out extra for a Combo disk... with the extra price and lower reliability I'd rather just get the Bluray. 

If they can only outsell standalone BR players by 56 to 44 then they are ROYALLY screwed .And remember that this is only in NA ,in Europe BR has already got 81% of the market and 91% in Asia .....

I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that no one cares about HD-DVD nor Blu-Ray in those places? Hence making the only people who have one of these formats being most likely a PS3 owner?

I'm not stating this as a fact, just wondering...