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FayeC on 11 August 2009
L.C.E.C. said:
FayeC said:
L.C.E.C. said:
I hate to tell you, but GameStop and eBay ARE giant corporations who don't care whether you live or die. GameStop's HQ is probably about 30 minutes from where I live (around Dallas), and all any major corporation really cares about is making money or making an imprint on society/making a name for themselves (usu. less of the latter). If you think about it, GS and eBay are stealing profits away from developers, so who is the villian in all of this? So the guy who figures out how to build his own '98 civic out of air by looking at his friend's with some magical device (similar to a PC), should they get money for that? I know it's not possible, but that's because physical analogies are incomparable and useless, but that's basically what the anti-piracy stuff is saying...

Gamestop and eby users have every right to that profit. They arent stealing it. They are buying low and selling high. Just like any decent business does. While gamestop might be a giant corporation, the people that work there certainly are not. If they don't make quotas they will lose there jobs. I would rather support them by buying used. It helps keep  the employee their job, and I really apriceate the service gamestop offers. I don't see EA or Konami setting up shop down the street to sell me games.

There are no quotas. They work on an hourly wage, like everyone else (who's not on a fixed income). If you follow SC's logic, you are taking money out of developers' pockets when you buy from GS.

But more importantly, you never answered my question. If some guy could just magically make cars out of air by touching another car and started giving them away if you asked him for it., would he be a bad person for stealing business? (like how guys can burn games to blank CD's, or change blank space on a hard-drive into a rom) So... what if you could turn water into wine the same way, and you gave it to people who asked for it. Would that be a crime? Would you be stealing their formula, idea, and/or business (reaching into their pocket). I didn't know people would hate Jesus so much. So if you hate me for pirating, then you hate Jesus. Have fun with that.

No. If you've ever worked in a gamestop environment, you would know that each employee has to reach a certain amount of used sales, subscriptions, discount cards, preorders, protection plans, ect.

 

What are you talking about? I've been pro piracy this whole topic. I just also happen to be pro used games. As for if im Pro Jesus or not, this really isnt the time for that! I'm all for piracy of software. If you can find a way to pull it off with booze make sure im the first to know.



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FayeC on 11 August 2009
stof said:
Alright Superchunk. Maybe you should read over all your posts in this thread. You've made some pretty silly twists of logic so far.

And I highly doubt you hold the same moral righteousness for other, far more important aspects of life.

Or even for this aspect of life, as im sure that South Park avatar was not specifically set aside for free use.



Dgc1808 on 11 August 2009

Is it wrong if I pirate a japanese game that has 0 chance of ever coming stateside because I have no way to import it?

I just really wanted to play the game.



4 ≈ One

bardicverse on 11 August 2009

And to further state the obvious, murder isn't theft.



vlad321 on 11 August 2009

Another point.

Pirated copies of ANY media are far superior to the originals. They are better in EVERY way. I can make as many copies of them as I want. If I delete it to save room I can always get it again, at any point of time without any limitations. I can get a song in 30 seconds, a movie in 30 and a game in an hour WHILE cooking, cleaning, or whatever around the house. I have no restrictions on the copy whatsoever and I can do with it anything I want.

Funny, seems like the end product is far better when I get it for free, and infinitely superior than if I get legally and pay for it.

So... where's my incentive to pay for them? I'm basically getting a vastly inferior service and copy for more money. Somehow that seems VERY wrong to me.

Basically the companies expect me to pay for something with ridiculous restrictions, that is far more inconviniencing, and overall a worse product. Yeah... free market rules the best product wins, and pirated copies are far better than the legal ones. They could at least try to compete witht he feautres before they start bitching about the lsot sales. Maybe then I can show some sympathy.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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Euphoria14 on 11 August 2009
Dgc1808 said:
Is it wrong if I pirate a japanese game that has 0 chance of ever coming stateside because I have no way to import it?

I just really wanted to play the game.


If it the only way you will ever be able to play it then I don't see the problem.

Blame the company for not releasing it for you to purchase.



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Euphoria14 on 11 August 2009
vlad321 said:
Another point.

Pirated copies of ANY media are far superior to the originals. They are better in EVERY way. I can make as many copies of them as I want. If I delete it to save room I can always get it again, at any point of time without any limitations. I can get a song in 30 seconds, a movie in 30 and a game in an hour WHILE cooking, cleaning, or whatever around the house. I have no restrictions on the copy whatsoever and I can do with it anything I want.

Funny, seems like the end product is far better when I get it for free, and infinitely superior than if I get legally and pay for it.

So... where's my incentive to pay for them? I'm basically getting a vastly inferior service and copy for more money. Somehow that seems VERY wrong to me.


You should try installing a retail Wii title you own onto a HDD you have connected to the Wii. It is far superior there too.

I do this with all of my retail games and I love it.

 

OT:

What is people's stance with someone purchasing a title brand new, then installing it onto an HDD, then selling their copy to a store like Gamestop and/or eBay and keeping the copy on their Wii HDD for them to play whenever they wish?

I admit doing this too lately but I am still helping the industry in the process.

Of course though if the game doesn't run via HDD I keep the retail disc.



iPhone = Great gaming device. Don't agree? Who cares, because you're wrong.

Currently playing:

Final Fantasy VI (iOS), Final Fantasy: Record Keeper (iOS) & Dragon Quest V (iOS)     

    

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L.C.E.C. on 11 August 2009
FayeC said:
L.C.E.C. said:
FayeC said:
L.C.E.C. said:
I hate to tell you, but GameStop and eBay ARE giant corporations who don't care whether you live or die. GameStop's HQ is probably about 30 minutes from where I live (around Dallas), and all any major corporation really cares about is making money or making an imprint on society/making a name for themselves (usu. less of the latter). If you think about it, GS and eBay are stealing profits away from developers, so who is the villian in all of this? So the guy who figures out how to build his own '98 civic out of air by looking at his friend's with some magical device (similar to a PC), should they get money for that? I know it's not possible, but that's because physical analogies are incomparable and useless, but that's basically what the anti-piracy stuff is saying...

Gamestop and eby users have every right to that profit. They arent stealing it. They are buying low and selling high. Just like any decent business does. While gamestop might be a giant corporation, the people that work there certainly are not. If they don't make quotas they will lose there jobs. I would rather support them by buying used. It helps keep  the employee their job, and I really apriceate the service gamestop offers. I don't see EA or Konami setting up shop down the street to sell me games.

There are no quotas. They work on an hourly wage, like everyone else (who's not on a fixed income). If you follow SC's logic, you are taking money out of developers' pockets when you buy from GS.

But more importantly, you never answered my question. If some guy could just magically make cars out of air by touching another car and started giving them away if you asked him for it., would he be a bad person for stealing business? (like how guys can burn games to blank CD's, or change blank space on a hard-drive into a rom) So... what if you could turn water into wine the same way, and you gave it to people who asked for it. Would that be a crime? Would you be stealing their formula, idea, and/or business (reaching into their pocket). I didn't know people would hate Jesus so much. So if you hate me for pirating, then you hate Jesus. Have fun with that.

No. If you've ever worked in a gamestop environment, you would know that each employee has to reach a certain amount of used sales, subscriptions, discount cards, preorders, protection plans, ect.

 

What are you talking about? I've been pro piracy this whole topic. I just also happen to be pro used games. As for if im Pro Jesus or not, this really isnt the time for that! I'm all for piracy of software. If you can find a way to pull it off with booze make sure im the first to know.

I'm not anti-used-games either, I just think that anyone who goes and buys used games and rants on piracy is an absolute hippocrite. I only read the first 3 pages of this thread, btw, so I was really just addressing the masses, lol.




bardicverse on 11 August 2009

@Vlad 0 Incentive? Its simple - more piracy = less sales = no money for future titles. So the incentive to buy games is to ensure that games won't disappear outright. Would you like to see your favorite game series disappear from the planet because the studio went under?



Alterego-X on 11 August 2009
richardhutnik said:
Alterego-X said:

It's almost the same with information technology. The publishers could search for alternative incomes, to survive the change, but simply banning piracy is like banning machines to save the old ways of the industry.

No working person who produces a good or service should have to adjust to poor and cheap individual, like yourself, who refuses to compensate them for their efforts. 

I guess, no one would pay money for watching stupid reality shows and quizes in the TV, or watch Youtube videos, and console sales chartz.

But that is OK, because the people behind these services still get paid through advertisments.

 

There IS a significant market of people who don't want/can't pay for things, and in case of the media, there IS a compromise.

If there would be a decent amount and quality of advertisment-supported games, (not $30million blockbusters, I don't care about these), just like Battlefield Heroes, or those indie games that are now sold for $10, I would have no reason to download the others.