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outlawauron on 06 August 2009
Xen said:
outlawauron said:
Xen said:
Xxain said:
I just messin XEN, i wouldn't do that to you....but i tellin you guys this will be a genre evolving game

I don't want to look like I'm doubting that it'll be good, but genre evolving how? JRPG's haven't changed much since the SNES sweet times... the only difference is that the quality dropped...

Are you kidding here Xen? JRPGs haven't changed since the SNES? What are you talking about?

And there are many who hold the belief that SNES was not the golden age for RPGs.

Cliche stories and characters? check.

Grinding? check.

Mini games? check.

Battle system linked by common rules established way back when? check.

there are exceptions... but... very few.

Also, lots of people hold the SNES as the best console for JRPG's to this day. See the forums. I'm not included though.

Besides Persona and Disgaea, what games do you grind for anymore? Outside of Demon's Souls, I can't think of one!

I know you hate the game, but Final Fantasy XII did major innovations in the battle system. And there are few exceptions because the fanbase doesn't want their games to change. It's why people still buy remakes more than new original titles.

You can't blame developers for not innovating much, whenever its the same old that sells more.



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ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 06 August 2009

looks awesome, cant wait to add this game to my 360 jrpg library. :)



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Riachu on 06 August 2009
outlawauron said:
Xen said:
outlawauron said:
Xen said:
Xxain said:
I just messin XEN, i wouldn't do that to you....but i tellin you guys this will be a genre evolving game

I don't want to look like I'm doubting that it'll be good, but genre evolving how? JRPG's haven't changed much since the SNES sweet times... the only difference is that the quality dropped...

Are you kidding here Xen? JRPGs haven't changed since the SNES? What are you talking about?

And there are many who hold the belief that SNES was not the golden age for RPGs.

Cliche stories and characters? check.

Grinding? check.

Mini games? check.

Battle system linked by common rules established way back when? check.

there are exceptions... but... very few.

Also, lots of people hold the SNES as the best console for JRPG's to this day. See the forums. I'm not included though.

Besides Persona and Disgaea, what games do you grind for anymore? Outside of Demon's Souls, I can't think of one!

I know you hate the game, but Final Fantasy XII did major innovations in the battle system. And there are few exceptions because the fanbase doesn't want their games to change. It's why people still buy remakes more than new original titles.

You can't blame developers for not innovating much, whenever its the same old that sells more.

Japanese gamers are at fault for this.  They tend to hate innovation in their RPGs.  Look at how much critizism FFXII got from Japanese gamers.  This is why Japanese developers are looking more towards the West, becuase Western gamers are more open towards new IPs and innovation.



 

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outlawauron on 06 August 2009
Riachu said:
outlawauron said:
Xen said:
outlawauron said:
Xen said:
Xxain said:
I just messin XEN, i wouldn't do that to you....but i tellin you guys this will be a genre evolving game

I don't want to look like I'm doubting that it'll be good, but genre evolving how? JRPG's haven't changed much since the SNES sweet times... the only difference is that the quality dropped...

Are you kidding here Xen? JRPGs haven't changed since the SNES? What are you talking about?

And there are many who hold the belief that SNES was not the golden age for RPGs.

Cliche stories and characters? check.

Grinding? check.

Mini games? check.

Battle system linked by common rules established way back when? check.

there are exceptions... but... very few.

Also, lots of people hold the SNES as the best console for JRPG's to this day. See the forums. I'm not included though.

Besides Persona and Disgaea, what games do you grind for anymore? Outside of Demon's Souls, I can't think of one!

I know you hate the game, but Final Fantasy XII did major innovations in the battle system. And there are few exceptions because the fanbase doesn't want their games to change. It's why people still buy remakes more than new original titles.

You can't blame developers for not innovating much, whenever its the same old that sells more.

Japanese gamers are at fault for this.  They tend to hate innovation in their RPGs.  Look at how much critizism FFXII got from Japanese gamers.  This is why Japanese developers are looking more towards the West, becuase Western gamers are more open towards new IPs and innovation.

Does it now? Famitsu gave the game a perfect score.

 

The west however mostly shunned the game and didn't buy it. In Europe, the game didn't even sell a million!



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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Slimebeast on 06 August 2009
Skeeuk said:

 


It should be a punishable crime to make such linear games like that. Just horrible.

That clip makes me claustrophobic.



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Riachu on 06 August 2009
outlawauron said:
Riachu said:
outlawauron said:
Xen said:
outlawauron said:
Xen said:
Xxain said:
I just messin XEN, i wouldn't do that to you....but i tellin you guys this will be a genre evolving game

I don't want to look like I'm doubting that it'll be good, but genre evolving how? JRPG's haven't changed much since the SNES sweet times... the only difference is that the quality dropped...

Are you kidding here Xen? JRPGs haven't changed since the SNES? What are you talking about?

And there are many who hold the belief that SNES was not the golden age for RPGs.

Cliche stories and characters? check.

Grinding? check.

Mini games? check.

Battle system linked by common rules established way back when? check.

there are exceptions... but... very few.

Also, lots of people hold the SNES as the best console for JRPG's to this day. See the forums. I'm not included though.

Besides Persona and Disgaea, what games do you grind for anymore? Outside of Demon's Souls, I can't think of one!

I know you hate the game, but Final Fantasy XII did major innovations in the battle system. And there are few exceptions because the fanbase doesn't want their games to change. It's why people still buy remakes more than new original titles.

You can't blame developers for not innovating much, whenever its the same old that sells more.

Japanese gamers are at fault for this.  They tend to hate innovation in their RPGs.  Look at how much critizism FFXII got from Japanese gamers.  This is why Japanese developers are looking more towards the West, becuase Western gamers are more open towards new IPs and innovation.

Does it now? Famitsu gave the game a perfect score.

 

The west however mostly shunned the game and didn't buy it. In Europe, the game didn't even sell a million!

I am talking the general population in Japan, not some magazine that might give scores to games based on hype.  The West did not shun the game, it sold very well in America and decent in Europe.



 

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starterman1989 on 06 August 2009

^ It's always best to back up claims with numbers... It makes it easier for people to believe an argument.



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Riachu on 06 August 2009
Slimebeast said:
Skeeuk said:

 


It should be a punishable crime to make such linear games like that. Just horrible.

That clip makes me claustrophobic.

You hate linear games?

 

@starterman1989

There are sales numbers for this game on VGChartz.  The game has over 1.8 million copies approx. in America and over 840K in Europe.



 

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starterman1989 on 06 August 2009

^ yuppp, that's what i mean. It's a lot easier to believe what you're saying if you say it that way.

Although since the game sold the best in Japan, it's still kinda hard to justify saying the general population of Japan doesn't like the game, compared to NA & EU...

When you compare XII to X sales, you will actually see that Japan experiences 20% drop on sales, NA 30% drop, and EU 60% drop...

So the rejection of XII actually comes mostly from NA & EU...?



For your entertainment:

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Slimebeast on 06 August 2009
Riachu said:
Slimebeast said:
Skeeuk said:

 


It should be a punishable crime to make such linear games like that. Just horrible.

That clip makes me claustrophobic.

You hate linear games?

 

 

In general yes. And disguised 'corridor shooters' with invisible walls like this is descipable