uncalled for

get the hell out of my thread 

Well if you read more carefully you'll notice I stated 2008/09 allowing myself a comfortable 2-year period for my prediction to pan out. Also since a Wii title has a shorter dev cycle it is only natural that it will be announced closer to it's release than that of a 360/PS3 equivalent. Look at Nintendo, as far as I know they've announced Wii Fit, DDoC and MarioKart for '08', are you seriously suggesting there won't be a multitude of other 1st and 2nd party releases in '08'?

We have around 15 months til the end of '08', I personally think that leaves plenty of time for announcements of titles releasing before then. How long before their intended release dates were titles benefitting from significant investment such as Zack & Wiki, Red Steel, Wii Fit, MarioKart, REUC, GH3, Fire Emblem, BW2, No More Heroes, NiGHTS, We Love Golf, etc.,etc. announced?? In fact I'd say the titles announced more than 15 months before release are in the minority, completely disproving your argument.

What was your point again?

None should seriously expect 3rd party games on FF13 or Fallout 3s scale on the wii ever. Epic view is very likely shared by majority of the industry.

Well there is that big fat licensing deal Epic got from Sony. Of course a sweetheart deal like that wouldn't bias them at all...

What are you basing that on?  There is no reason grand & epic games won't come out for the Wii.  If you want to say that financially Wii games won't cost as much as those games then you are probably right, but if you are trying to say that in-depth titles aren't coming to the Wii you're just flat wrong. 

Most people like to think that the Wii having a high casual gamer adoption rate means that you can't make grand or epic games.  But this completely ignores the fact that people are rarely interested in one or even two genres but instead usually have 4 or 5 they enjoy.  The casual aspects of the Wii may induce some to buy the console who otherwise wouldn't but just because someone is casual doesn't mean their interest cannot be piqued by a "hardcore" game.  The fact is that once someone owns the console that fact alone makes them significantly more likely to buy other software titles.

The other thing you are wrong about is the idea that Epic's view is shared by the majority of the industry.  This statement smells of ignorance.  And I say that with true meaning, not as an insult.  I think you missed the fact that epic makes engines and the UT series is pretty much the showcase for that engine.  The fact that they focus solely on high end hardware when making their engine means that their profitable work is going to be on the 360, PS3, and PC.  So for them, the Wii isn't a smart option, and it isn't worth the time for their studio to go back and do work in an area they are so far removed from.

This is completely different from a company who doesn't have their resources completely devoted to photorealism, they have no need to produce or develope a high end engine.  And for this type of studio creating an engine on the Wii is extremely viable, and suits their needs quite well.

But even more that, companies who focus solely on creating games and either license engines or use in-shop solutions will find the Wii extremely profitiable for the simple fact that they can produce a great looking Wii game for half of what it cost to produce a great looking PS3 game.  Provided they are confident in their ability to produce an interesting and entertaining gaming experience to go with those visuals they are extremely happy to produce for $10 million what could have cost them $20 million...hopefully you wouldn't argue that point =P 

Thread 447.

Wii fanboy: look, Wii has the most titles.
PS fanboy/xbot: yeah and they are all crap
Wii fanboy: That is not true
PS fanboy/xbot: Ugh, Ninjabread man FTW
Wii fanboy VS Ps fanboy/ Xbot Fight for hours.
Neutral person: Every system gets many great games.
Soriku: And the Wii will have KH3 HAHA.
Leo-J: No it is for PS3
Konnichiwa: I hope it is for X360
Soriku and Leo-J: Konnichiwa SHUT UP.

It always end with this.

“Given present publishing activity levels and hardware sales rates, we expect 256 bit gaming to have moved out of transition and squarely into the mass adoption phase by year end.”

wtf is 256 bit gaming?  

I'm sorry but that just totally illuminates this guy as someone who has no friggin clue about consoles.

8th Generation. 2^8 = 256 ?

does that mean first generation gaming was 1 bit gaming? 

Ok for starters lets come to an agreement on what quality titles means.  To me they mean titles that aren't low budget crap, cheap minigames, or ports of old Playstation 2 games.  Do you agree? 

The 360 has about 160 quality third party titles for next year, that's announced games, the Wii has about 79 titles but if you filter out first party, budget titles, and ports of 2-3 year old Playstation 2 games you're left with about 50.  Now your statement says that you expect the Wii to have about twice as many quality titles as the 360 means that going just by what we know now, it'll need about 270 additional quality third party games for next year in order to make your statement true for 2008.  Do you really believe that 270 quality games are going to be announced for release next year? 

Also I did make one mistake I thought you were only talking about 2008, I guess things could be radically different for 2009, maybe third parties will start making tons of money on the Wii and Nintendo won't take the lion's share of game sales on it so they'll put all their quality titles on it instead of trying to cash in with lucrative low budget titles, anything can happen I guess.  Also titles can be delayed, but my numbers assume that nothing new for it will be announced for it for release in 2008. I'm sure there will be at least a few other games announced.

Oh and don't get me wrong, I firmly believe the Wii will have a lot more games released for it next year than the 360, but I also believe that a significant amount of it won't be quality (as in the Wii will have at least 30-40% of it's releases being crap).

Let me elaborate on generations for you.

First generation.

Magnavox Odyssey • Pong • Coleco Telstar

Second generation.

Fairchild Channel F • Atari 2600 • Interton VC 4000 • Odyssey² • Intellivision • Arcadia 2001 • Atari 5200 • ColecoVision • Vectrex • SG-1000

Third generation.

NES • Master System • Atari 7800

Forth generation.

TurboGrafx-16 • Sega Mega Drive/Genesis • Neo Geo • Super Nintendo

Fifth generation.

3DO • Amiga CD32 • Jaguar • Saturn • PlayStation • Nintendo 64 • Virtual Boy

Sixth generation.

Dreamcast • PlayStation 2 • GameCube • Xbox

Seventh generation.

Xbox 360 • PlayStation 3 • Wii

First generation would actually be four bit gaming. When you reverse the math backwards. I cannot say for certain if the Odyssey was a four bit machine. Probably quite likely when you compare it to the eight bit NES. I think the bit reference is a throw back to a time when each next generation was twice as powerful as the previous one. I am not sure todays machines are actually 256 bit or not. The industry no long seems to use the terminology, and further more exactly where would those bits be applied.

This is so weird.

Legend11, I find myself agreeing with you more and more. It's so strange.