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Kantor on 05 August 2009
Boutros said:
Kantor said:
Computer and Video Games' review was the best by far though.

To sum it up:

Awesome game
Awesome graphics
Awesome music
Loads of fun
PS3 is not bundled with a headset.

7/10.

So...why 7/10. Because the PS3 is not bundled with a headset?

Yes. I bet they are completely unbiased.



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realill on 05 August 2009

I heard much more people talking using headsets in this game, then I have heard in all other games combined.

Still, I am not playing it anymore, waiting for patch.



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BMaker11 on 05 August 2009
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Reasonable said:
As ever (and I'm not talking about bias any particular way, for PS3 or 360) I remain amazed that review scores can have such a huge spread.

From 60 to 93? That's a huge range of views. When I see this I can't help feeling the top reviews are probably biased towards the title/console, the bottom just trying to make a point or be different, and the more middle range reviews probably a better indicator of the game.

The spread isn't all that wide.  There are outliers, on the low end only.

There are 4 scores tightly bunched at 90 or higher.  There are three scores bunched around 85.  Then there is 1 score at 80, ok, not so bad.  Jump another 5 points down, and there's another score at 75.  Ok, we have an outlier there.  And then WHAAAAA????!!!!! a score at 60.  It's Eurogamer, which happens to do this consistently.

As with any statistical work, you throw out the extreme outliers.  First, let's see how things end up with 30+ scores, though.

 

Statistics ftfw



BMaker11 on 05 August 2009
Kantor said:
Just when I was starting to respect Eurogamer, they give inFamous a 9 and Fat Princess a 6.

Bloody Europeans

they gave inFAMOUS a 7 and MGS4 an 8 (when everywhere else it got 9s and aboce), so Fat Princess getting a 6 isn't out of THEIR norm



tedsteriscool on 05 August 2009
BMaker11 said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Reasonable said:
As ever (and I'm not talking about bias any particular way, for PS3 or 360) I remain amazed that review scores can have such a huge spread.

From 60 to 93? That's a huge range of views. When I see this I can't help feeling the top reviews are probably biased towards the title/console, the bottom just trying to make a point or be different, and the more middle range reviews probably a better indicator of the game.

The spread isn't all that wide.  There are outliers, on the low end only.

There are 4 scores tightly bunched at 90 or higher.  There are three scores bunched around 85.  Then there is 1 score at 80, ok, not so bad.  Jump another 5 points down, and there's another score at 75.  Ok, we have an outlier there.  And then WHAAAAA????!!!!! a score at 60.  It's Eurogamer, which happens to do this consistently.

As with any statistical work, you throw out the extreme outliers.  First, let's see how things end up with 30+ scores, though.

 

Statistics ftfw

Seconded.



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Kantor on 05 August 2009
BMaker11 said:
Kantor said:
Just when I was starting to respect Eurogamer, they give inFamous a 7 and Fat Princess a 6.

Bloody Europeans

they gave inFAMOUS a 7 and MGS4 an 8 (when everywhere else it got 9s and aboce), so Fat Princess getting a 6 isn't out of THEIR norm

Oh whoops I meant 7. InFamous deserves a 9. But other than giving MGS4 an 8 (which I thought was pretty well justified), they've been so reasonable! LBP, R2 and KZ2 all got 9s, as well as WipEout HD, WipEout HD Fury got a 9...they're very hit and miss.



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Reasonable on 05 August 2009
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Reasonable said:
As ever (and I'm not talking about bias any particular way, for PS3 or 360) I remain amazed that review scores can have such a huge spread.

From 60 to 93? That's a huge range of views. When I see this I can't help feeling the top reviews are probably biased towards the title/console, the bottom just trying to make a point or be different, and the more middle range reviews probably a better indicator of the game.

The spread isn't all that wide.  There are outliers, on the low end only.

There are 4 scores tightly bunched at 90 or higher.  There are three scores bunched around 85.  Then there is 1 score at 80, ok, not so bad.  Jump another 5 points down, and there's another score at 75.  Ok, we have an outlier there.  And then WHAAAAA????!!!!! a score at 60.  It's Eurogamer, which happens to do this consistently.

As with any statistical work, you throw out the extreme outliers.  First, let's see how things end up with 30+ scores, though.

 

I was more shaking my head at lack of critical consistency than looking at it statistically.  From that angle I agree that, assuming the general spread/bunching remains around the same I'd chop of anything below 75% as an outlier and probably look at the shape between the top and that

 

Mind you, I just looked at some films, same result!  Up has reviews ranging from 50 to 100!  Amazing (critically, not statistically!).



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ocnkng on 05 August 2009

Its gone to about 79 in Metacritic now. The amazing thing about the reviews is that couple of the websites that are pulling the score down are the SAME ones that gave Killzone 2 low scores.
'Computer and Video', 'Teletext Game Central'
Also I read some of the negative reviews and they all seemed to harp on the same point: 'Games are too long as very few players know how to work as a team"
Wonderful, the game is given low scores because the players are not good at it :)



 

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Seraphic_Sixaxis on 05 August 2009

Eurogamer... my god they have nothing nice to say about any PS3 game at all do they? there all a bunch of rabid fanboys with dull and meaningless opinions.

Even still i feel Meta is useless in general but i like how GameSot And IGN put it the most, there still fairly decent reviewes i suppose.

I tried this mini-fat princess thing on Home and it was neat, because of it i plan on getting it soon, very charming game indeed.

As a side note... Euro would'nt stand for European would it?



dbot on 05 August 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
CGI-Quality said:

Deserves whatever good-great scores it gets, IMO. One of the best downloadable titles available.

Of course, I still say Wipeout HD is downloadable King, but that's another thread

I vastly disagree with that. While I think comparisons between games like Wipeout HD, Trine, and Castle Crashers is fine, you really can't believe that Wipeout HD is better than Braid, can you? I can only think of about 10 games that were better than Braid, ever, on any console.

My favorite DLCs this gen have been:

1. Braid

2. Lost and the Damned

3. Point Lookout

4. Trine

5. World of Goo

6. Castle Crashers

7. Portal: Still Alive

8. Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition

9. Wipeout HD

10. SFII:HDRemix

Now, if you've played all of those, and can still not only rank Wipeout HD as your favorite DLC, but also the "King" of DLC, then you sir, are a huge fan of the game.

Now, don't get me wrong. I can see how someone would put Wipeout HD at the 2nd spot on their list, easily, and in a rare preference based instance, I can see a handful of people even putting it at number one....but saying that it's the king of DLC when Braid exists?

Seriously, did you forget about Braid when you said that, lol?

The puzzles in Braid were challenging and rewarding, but the overall narrative was pretentious.  As the story progressed, I became less and less interested in it.  Overall it was a good game, but I would not put it at the top of any lists.

On topic, I think a score of 80 - 85 is appropriate for Fat Princess.  The short single player and balancing issues prevent it from scoring higher.  I don't put much stock in Eurogamer, or Edge since I seldom agree with their scores for any platform (Too low on some platforms, and way too high on the other).

 

 



Thanks for the input, Jeff.