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highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
It's not murder. They just let nature have it's course.

Btw, she is in heaven now instead of this cruel world.

And you're a DOCTOR?!?!?!
I'm sorry, but I socialise with a fair few doctors regularly and I do not know one of them who have a "Just let nature take it's course" ethos... In fact they have the complete OPPOSITE ethos to that, they have a "we're doctors, let's try to PREVENT nature taking it's course".
What field of medicine allows that kind of mentality? I don't mean to be mean, but I don't get it.
Off Topic - I think I might take a break from this site until it calms down, it's bringing out the worst in me at the moment.


lol chill. You really think that's my view?



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MontanaHatchet said:
If nature took its course, we'd be extinct. We're humans, we've been breaking nature's laws for thousands of years. It's what makes us such a powerful species. I'm frightened that there's a certified doctor who really believes that. It's just scary.

It's not just that which is scary, this thread reminded me of another time I thought he said something doctors don't generally say, and this was in the "How many users actually support the theory of evolution" thread. He said he supported Intelligent design over evolution and I remember reading about his arguements about bacteria not evolving into anything more to denty macro evolution (and basically evolution on a whole). I mean how does a doctor deny evolution? It's one of the corner stones of medicine, every doctor I know supports evolution on a basic principle so they can keep up to date with things like MRSA.



Okay then Slimebeast, we won't take anything you say seriously. Or, in other words, nothing new.



 

 

NJ5 said:
Slimebeast said:
NJ5 said:
Slimebeast said:
It's not murder. They just let nature have it's course.

Btw, she is in heaven now instead of this cruel world.

Strange coming from someone with medical education. Oh wait, I've just been gamed, you're joking right?

This distinction from natural and artificial is irrelevant IMO. How is medical help different from an advanced form of wolves licking each other's wounds?

 


Im not really joking. I used the passive-natural aspect as a contrast to his intent-murder claim.

How is dying from inaction any more natural than a person healing another one? Aren't we all part of nature, and by extension everything we do?

I really dislike this false natural/artificial distinction. Why do some of us pretend man =/= nature?

 

First, I wasn't taking any stance about the healing. And yes, any intelligent person can see that it's obviously not the case that 'they let nature have it's course' like I said (since they were actively praying for a divine miracle). So perhaps it suggests I was just trying to make a point to FootballFan's murder accusations, right?

So I may have not been completely serious, but it still doesn't mean I was joking (but it was a third option, I was making a point).

And my point about inaction bares relevance. Let's say you as a by-stander witness a guy being beaten to death. The law doesn't require you to stop it. In fact, I don't think there's laws against people not helping wounded they stumble upon in a traffic accident (unless they were part of it of course). Not that the case father-child is exactly the same, but it's definately not murder, that's for sure.

I dislike the mythification among the general populace about some magical distinction between natural and artificial as well, although I'd say there still is a difference, it's just not that black and white.



highwaystar101 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
If nature took its course, we'd be extinct. We're humans, we've been breaking nature's laws for thousands of years. It's what makes us such a powerful species. I'm frightened that there's a certified doctor who really believes that. It's just scary.

It's not just that which is scary, this thread reminded me of another time I thought he said something doctors don't generally say, and this was in the "How many users actually support the theory of evolution" thread. He said he supported Intelligent design over evolution and I remember reading about his arguements about bacteria not evolving into anything more to denty macro evolution (and basically evolution on a whole). I mean how does a doctor deny evolution? It's one of the corner stones of medicine, every doctor I know supports evolution on a basic principle so they can keep up to date with things like MRSA.


Micro-macro.

Bacteria can mutate, yes.

Common descent, no.



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Its a form of murder. The parent had the option to save the child but chose not to. He let his daughter die. Simple as that. The parent just let the natural process occur, and is now getting punished accordingly.



The question to ask ourselves is what do we consider the purpose of the justice system. Prevention? Rehabilitation? Retribution?
A large prison term definitely hits on the third, and questionably might have an effect on the former. But it definitely won't affect Rehabilitation. Of course the question may be mute since this is a very specific crime that those two people would likely never again be put in the position to commit.

But if there is an attempt to deal and treat the parents directly, it must surely be to correct their religious beliefs. And I highly doubt the United States justice system has the framework or stomache to engage in the process of treating religious beliefs as criminally reckless and institutionalizing certain people for their religious beliefs.



I'm a mod, come to me if there's mod'n to do. 

Chrizum is the best thing to happen to the internet, Period.

Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!

Bet with dsisister44: Red Steel 2 will sell 1 million within it's first 365 days of sales.

In fact, among doctors there's a lot more 'let nature have it's course' kind of thinking than you all would guess.



FootballFan said:
Its a form of murder. The parent had the option to save the child but chose not to. He let his daughter die. Simple as that. The parent just let the natural process occur, and is now getting punished accordingly.

When you buy videogames instead of givng money to feed the homeless you are letting the homeless die.

It's a form of murder.  Simple as that.