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TWRoO on 01 August 2009
Spedfrom said:
Kotaku just don't know what they're doing amirite? *rolls eyes*

A link (or whatever you deem proof) to the assertion that Kotaku is wrong, would be nice please.

*sigh*

Before I search for proof (well, while I am... as I am doing it now) I will say this.

IN THE FISCAL REPORT FROM ANY COMPANY, SALES ESTIMATES ARE NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY ESTIMATES... SONY REPORTS SALES TO RETAILERS BECAUSE THEY CAN TRACK THAT FIGURE EXACTLY.

Between 2000 and 2006, Sony reported "Production shipments" which means the number of consoles they have produced in total... from 2007 onwards they reported "sales" which means sales to Sony's customers, which are retailers and other distributors Which is the exact same number that Nintendo and Microsoft report (both call them sales too)



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Slimebeast on 01 August 2009

NJ5, I like that you always highlight the important parts written by MikeB. I don't want to miss any gems.



MikeB on 01 August 2009
NJ5 said:

kowenicki I can't avoid it...

MikeB just said ignoring part of 360's sales is unfair for the PS3. LOL.

No, I said the PS3 released about 5 months later in PAL regions unlike the 360, so those are extra 360 sales. Relatively the PS3 sold much faster than the 360 in Europe taking equal timeframes than the worldwide data would suggest. Currently 360 has seen 2 extra holiday seasons compared to the PS3, not just 1.

For other regions the official launch gap is even much bigger, up to years even.



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Slimebeast on 01 August 2009
Skittles said:
Slimebeast said:
Skittles said:
Slimebeast said:
Spedfrom said:

@Slimebeast

In 2006, Sony decided to start tracking how many consoles and games they sold all the way through to customers, not just to retailers (which is how most other companies record "sales").

I think it is you who wants to interpret something different.


I know he wrote that. But he is simply wrong. He misunderstood the tracking method.

Kotaku is just a blog, they're not experts or superhuman.

It's 23.8 million PS3s shipped to retail. It's a well established fact here on VGC, which is a console sales tracking site unlike Kotaki who is just a general gaming blog.

Nor are you...but you sure act like it!

I do? :/ Funny comment.


Yeap. One only has to look at the "PS3 now 70% Cheaper to Produce" thread to see slime acting like an "expert".


Everything I know, I learned from MikeB.



Spedfrom on 01 August 2009

I get that TWRoO, but I wouldn't have made this thread if Kotaku's Luke Plunkett hadn't emphasized the sold to consumers number part. Yes, they are "just" a gaming blog, but a respected one at that, so I waged they know what they publish on it.



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FaRmLaNd on 01 August 2009

......

I was just thinking the other day that we hadn't had a thread like this is a while...

Why wont people ever learn.



NJ5 on 01 August 2009
MikeB said:
NJ5 said:

kowenicki I can't avoid it...

MikeB just said ignoring part of 360's sales is unfair for the PS3. LOL.

No, I said the PS3 released about 5 months later in PAL regions unlike the 360, so those are extra 360 sales. Relatively the PS3 sold much faster than the 360 in Europe taking equal timeframes than the worldwide data would suggest. Currently 360 has seen 2 extra holiday seasons compared to the PS3, not just 1.

For other regions the official launch gap is even much bigger, up to years even.

For comparison, taking equal timeframes (which is unfair towards the PS3

In other words... taking equal timeframes (i.e. ignoring part of 360's sales) is unfair towards the PS3.

Just reading what you said here.

 



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Munkeh111 on 01 August 2009

It is sold to consumers, just Sony's consumers, which are the retailers

And LTD WW SW sales 142,902,448 according to VGC. So there are 190m sold by Sony (which would include stock), but there must be many millions of PSN games sold, but of course there is probably some undertracking, like how Uncharted is at 2.5m, despite being announced as having sold over 2.6m at E3... but oh well



MikeB on 01 August 2009
Slimebeast said:
Spedfrom said:

@Slimebeast

In 2006, Sony decided to start tracking how many consoles and games they sold all the way through to customers, not just to retailers (which is how most other companies record "sales").

I think it is you who wants to interpret something different.


I know he wrote that. But he is simply wrong. He misunderstood the tracking method.

Kotaku is just a blog, they're not experts or superhuman.

It's 23.8 million PS3s shipped to retail. It's a well established fact here on VGC, which is a console sales tracking site unlike Kotaki who is just a general gaming blog.

It's not that hard to track the amount of units bought by retail, taking the MS/Sony financial reports.

However taking the PS2 data, it does point out VGChartz shouldn't be considered to have the final word on retail sales.

The PS2 sold a lot better than was tracked here, it even considerably outshipped both PS3 and the XBox 360 worldwide last quarter. Looking at just VGChartz estimates you would not have seen that coming. In fact VGChartz repeatably claimed PS2 sales were quickly dying out.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

Slimebeast on 01 August 2009

LOL! Kowenicki, I don't think NJ5 can resist.