There has been many developers who stated that it takes more to program for ps3 over 360, but they are simply called lazy by the sony foot soldiers, regardless of how much experience they have in the business.  I'm not sure how you can take the word of a developer who SOLELY programs for the ps3, that's it's not hard...what is there point of reference?

Amen!  Can we please get off of this "x developer is lazy" arguement?  Preference and understanding of limitations do not make one lazy.

I disapprove of this thread...No way any of this is true....

Uh, no. THIS is a huge change of subject. You've somehow managed to make this a console war. The subject was not, "Which platform is better?" The subject was, in actuality: "Which version of Rage will be the most technically proficient?" That's what this thread is about, and the answer is the PC version.

The end. Full stop. If you want to make this in to a full fledged system warz thread, you'll be having that discussion without me.

Nah, we're good. Just thought I'd comment on that analogy someone made about consoles being short people compared to PCs, or whatever. I thought it was a little elitist. I went on that little tangent and I apologize.

Let's keep the disparity between the 360 and PS3 versions.

SHHHSSHHHSHSHSH...I got raped for pointing Heavy Flaws in Heavy Rain....Imagine is you favor a guy saying Uncharted is not the best..

How much more powerfull is the Cell compare to the Xenon...When the Xenon is a Modified version of the Cell (Read up..IBM Konfirmed this)

And as to the complexity of the Cell...Acording to PS3 fans (The games do look good) PS3 sony games have the best graphics on the market and are yet to be matched...How is it that Sony is not working with third parties to get the results they get?

The Xenos does almost three times the work....at a similar speed to the RSX...RSX can barely handle the Unreal engine..Or is it the Cell that hinders it?

I know what article you are talking about, but no...... Xenon is not a modified version of the Cell.  Choose your words carefully.  Xenon takes some basic knowledge learned from the cell's development process, and goes in a different direction.

The PS3 has more raw horsepower than 360, however it has a weaker GPU.

The issue is that to properly code for PS3 for a high end gaming engine, you cannot just use the GPU as a GPU, you must also use the SPEs to assist the GPU and use memory differently.

In the end the real problem is that the PS3 remains different enough that having a common engine that runs well on PS3, 360 and PC is very hard to achieve.  Carmack remains, I believe, the best engine coder in the world (although his experience is heavily slanted to PC andbe extension 360) so if he is struggling it just confirms this.

What's pretty clear is:

1) if you build purely to PS3 design needs you can produce amazing results - Uncharted, Killzone 2, GT5:P, etc.

2) if you genuinely lead on PS3 then port to PC, 360, you can most efficiently achieve parity - Burnout Paradise, etc.

3) if you have two teams and apparently some unique code mixed with common code, you can achieve parity - CoD4, etc.

4) if you code for common engine it requires extra effort to get parity - this is where I think id is right now with Tech 5.  I expect them to further adapt the code to get to parity, but clearly they are not there yet.  Epic seemed to go through same process with Unreal tech

5) if you code for 360 and PC then port, you are not going to get parity without considerable changes to the code base

My take from the evidence anyway.

So, the PS3 can definately equal and may well be possible of slightly exceeding 360, but it takes specific effort to do so.