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SpartanFX said:
so HAZE violated this patent .let's sue them

Did HAZE allow you to do this in split screen local co-op?  Has any game actually done this before (allowed seamless joining/leaving of a co-op player in a SPLIT-SCREEN LOCAL CO-OP mode without saving and restarting)?



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slowmo said:
FreeTalkLive said:
It doesn't matter slowmo. The patent wouldn't hold on, anyway. I'd be shocked if some European court didn't rule in favor of Sony or Nintendo if MS sued them. Heck, even when MS doesn't do anything wrong it loses cases in Europe.


So if it holds up in a US case but not in Europe does that then mean we'll see cut down versions of some games between regions.  I doubt anyone on here is qualified to say whether a patent can hold or not, my money is that its a specualtive effort that they hope will stick but you never know how these will pan out for sure.

I'm pretty sure that in Europe the patenting of software is much more restrictive in US - i.e. you can't patent a vague technique, you have to have detailed code that is demonstrably unique and your own product.  I could be wrong, but from my days in (commercial) software I seem to remember this was the case.

From the descriptions with this patent it does seem pretty vague and I'm not sure would be upheld in Europe.

Personally I think current US patent law for SW is too lose, allowing for attempts to try and gain restrictive control via pretty vague descriptions.  But hey, I'm European, and tend to lean more towards heavier controls of commercial companies and their business practices.

 



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

nightsurge said:
SpartanFX said:
so HAZE violated this patent .let's sue them

Did HAZE allow you to do this in split screen local co-op?  Has any game actually done this before (allowed seamless joining/leaving of a co-op player in a SPLIT-SCREEN LOCAL CO-OP mode without saving and restarting)?


yes, well warhawk did, i dont know about Haze , also Little big planet did it.



Hmm I see some differences to Warhawk and Little Big Planet.

First off LBP doesn't use splitscreen.
Then Warhawk is an online game, but this new feature is about AI partners who will be replaced by a joining human player and when he leaves the AI takes over the character again. Everything without loading.



Blah. With the amount of stuff being patented, it's probably easier to just violate the patent, and the kill anyone who tries to sue you. In the end, you're preventing overpopulation at least.



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Barozi said:
Hmm I see some differences to Warhawk and Little Big Planet.

First off LBP doesn't use splitscreen.
Then Warhawk is an online game, but this new feature is about AI partners who will be replaced by a joining human player and when he leaves the AI takes over the character again. Everything without loading.


thats also Left 4 Dead



PullusPardus said:
akuseru said:
Just another reason why I don't want MS in the gaming business...


-blinks- how is this in anyway a bad thing?

Split screen is awesome.

Yes...  Ofc Split Screen is awesome =D But why patent it?



PullusPardus said:
Barozi said:
Hmm I see some differences to Warhawk and Little Big Planet.

First off LBP doesn't use splitscreen.
Then Warhawk is an online game, but this new feature is about AI partners who will be replaced by a joining human player and when he leaves the AI takes over the character again. Everything without loading.


thats also Left 4 Dead

and resident evil 5.

if your partner left, you are leave with a AI controlling his character with his weapon... though on the next chapter u have to equip her/him again.



Xoj said:
PullusPardus said:
Barozi said:
Hmm I see some differences to Warhawk and Little Big Planet.

First off LBP doesn't use splitscreen.
Then Warhawk is an online game, but this new feature is about AI partners who will be replaced by a joining human player and when he leaves the AI takes over the character again. Everything without loading.


thats also Left 4 Dead

and resident evil 5.

if your partner left, you are leave with a AI controlling his character with his weapon... though on the next chapter u have to equip her/him again.

But AFAIK when a player joins, the game goes back to the equipment menu and then you have to reload the chapter.

I can't even remember how it was in L4D. I played it co-op several times, but a friend never joined or leaved the game in an active session.



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Mendicate Bias said:

I did not say the inventor has to file a patent but that they have to work to make a statement directly or soon after the invention. They can not make the invention, make money off the invention for years and then file a patent after their competitor figures out how to make their product. There is a law against that, I'll look it up and post it when I find it. So basicaly the inventor has to show proof of a statement towards a patent application soon after invention but do not neccesarily require the patent its self.

But they can!

They can do exactly that. That's exactly what first-to-invent protects. They don't demonstrate "prior art" by patenting, they demonstrate it by producing the invention.

For an actual reduction to practice, the invention must have been sufficiently tested to demonstrate that it will work for its intended purpose, but it need not be in a commercially satisfactory stage of development.

First-to-invent protects individuals from the patent system. Consider that example I made above. Say you made the first Frizbee in 2000. Say you became the Frizbee King and made your fortune selling Frizbees. You have a multi-billion dollar Frizbee empire by 2005. Now imagine someone little patent troll files a patent on Frizbees and sues you trying to take all your hard-earned Frizbee wealth away. First-to-invent says "Knock it off you little patent troll, he was here first." That's why it's so great.

Well I just asked my friend that is in his 3rd year at the university of chicago law school to be a a patent lawyer and according to him your wrong. The original inventor must make an attempt to patent his invention within 5 to 6 months of invention. Under almost no circumstances can the original inventor not patent his invention for a year and then file a case against a competitor that patents his invention. So in your frisbee case yes if I did not patent the frisbee within those 5 years someone else can come and patent the design and I will lose my product.

Also making money off of a invention you have not pattented and then trying to patent it later severely weakens your case in a court of law. So basically every thing I have been saying is correct. Your clearly a bright individual but in this instance your just wrong, I'm sorry.



                                           

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