Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Thank you for calling us a "mediocre" team >_>.
We might not play in the "OH MY GOSH BEST LEAGUES IN THE WORLD EVER", but you know what? We have as many international titles as some of the "Sharks" in European history. Up until 2010, we had as many CL wins as Man. Utd, we are, on par with Liverpool, the other team in history to win a consecutive UEFA cup & CL, we are one of the teams with not only the most participations in the CL knockout rounds but also one of the teams that has made it most times to the quarter finals (at least) in CL history, we're also one of the very few clubs in the world to have won the CL, Super Cup and International Cup of the same season.
If this is "mediocre", then hell, there's a lot of shitty teams. Please tell me, how many international titles does Arsenal have? Inter must also be a "mediocre" team for having won 7 international titles, the same as Porto.
Educate yourselves better before you call anyone's team "mediocre".
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Porto is not a mediocre team by normal standards, but also not among the best. Arsenal would be the only team of the ones you mentioned that would actually be inferior trophy wise.
Many of the competitions are worthless. Only ones that count are Champions League (European Champion Clubs' Cup), Europa League (UEFA Cup) and maaaybe the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup.
ManU, Inter and Liverpool are still miles ahead.
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Oh I know we're not one of the best, by far. We don't have neither the monetary prowress that the top teams of Europe have to attract the best players, nor do we have a league with enough visibility to gain that monetary prowress. In comparison, our yearly budget is equivalent to one of the bottom teams of the Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga or Serie A.
But in terms of competitiveness and making the most of what we have, we are amongst the best out there. There's a reason a lot of top coaches and analysts around Europe consider that either Porto and Benfica could have the capacity to fight for 3rd place on La Liga or struggle with the 6 top teams of the Premier League, even with our current conditions. If we somehow managed to gain more visibility and budget to attract even better players, I don't have any doubts that we would be amongst the very best teams on Europe.
I just hate it when someone out there call our team mediocre, mostly because we lack the visibility and media impact that the best teams out there have. Last year, Porto was considered to be the best team behind Barça in many international ratings, statistics and analysts, not only for our insane winning streak on both the domestic and international sides, but also because our playstyle was pretty good to behold too. The problem is that it's easy to slip out of the media and public's opinion radar when you don't have the dimension that the european big sharks have (also we've had a pretty bad season by our own standards, even if we're on the verge of winning the championship this season).
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Portugal has the huge benefit that they get lots of young talented Brazilian players. The amount of talented Portuguese players is not as high. Looking at the current top clubs, only Braga has a reasonable amount of Portuguese players. Usually the top talents leave the Portuguese clubs, but the not as talented ones stay, so they still have a constant stream of decent players. Something what a comparable league, such as the Dutch league, doesn't have. They purely rely on their own players.... and then sell them while they're young.
You don't see many English, Italian, Spanish or German players playing in other leagues, because they don't have to. "Your" talented players need to get a new mentality to stay in the country and this is achieved best when they are young. Similar to Germany after the Euros 1988 and World Cup win in 1990. We were for a short period of time the best league in the world. Then almost everyone stayed in Italy or elsewhere and our league was left with few worldclass players and almost no young ones. Now we fought our way back into the top 3 and that is purely due to our youngsters who stayed in our league even though they have offerings from top class clubs around Europe. At the moment only Özil and Khedira left Germany rather early and now Marko Marin follows (Chelsea) because he disappointed at Bremen after his first season.
The only German club that could spent tons of money is Bayern Munich, but they only do it occasionally (Gomez, Robben, Ribery, Neuer). Around $100m - Probably what other clubs spent in one season *cough* C. Ronaldo *cough*. But many more important players came from their youth division. Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Alaba, Badstuber, Contento, Müller, Kroos still play for Bayern; Ottl, Guerrero, Hitzlsperger, Lell and Rensing still in the Bundesliga; Trochowski, Hargreaves and Misimovic elsewhere in Europe.
Dortmund saw a similar trend and that made them to the domestic champion in 2011 and 2012: Götze, Großkreuz, Schmelzer, Sahin plus the now returning Reus
You don't need to attract players, you need to breed them. Spain is the best example that it works, Germany too and Italy is the best example that relying on foreign players might fail eventually. I'm not dooming anything, but England could be next.
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