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freebs2 on 24 June 2010
lestatdark said:
freebs2 said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:

Couldn't be happier right now.

The Italian football is seriously ill. They need a complete reformation or they will fall apart in the next few years. I'm not only talking about the national team obviously...


Funny enough the only good thing Italian football had in the past few years was Mourinho and Inter's success. And the Italian press and majority of Italians did everything to bring him down.

Now they don't even have that xD


It's hard to support an Italian team that hasn't got italian players...Also Mourinho won, also because Inter gave all the players he wanted in the team since the beginning, Inter is the only italian team who can afford it, at the moment, since juventus was damaged a lot, in image and economic terms by the "calciopoli" scandal, and also since Berlusconi seem like he doesn't want to invest anymore in Milan.


It's odd, I always thought that the main figures that Mourinho supported were the backbones of Inter even before he coached them, like Materazzi, Toldo or Zanetti. 

Mourinho knows how to pick players and knows what players are the best for the specifications of the team and how he wans them to play. If Inter gave him that possibility, then it was a good move, since in the end it paid off. 

And that other team excuse if pretty lame. That may have some little value inside the Italian league, but doesn't explain the success he had in European level. He's a great coach and it's pretty sad a lot of people try as hard as they can to devalue him.

He is a great coach, I'm not agruing with that, but it's also also a wrong assumption to say that Inter won beacause Mou is a genious, and now that he's gone all it's lost...his abily were not the only factor that brought inter to win.



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lestatdark on 24 June 2010
freebs2 said:
lestatdark said:
freebs2 said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:

Couldn't be happier right now.

The Italian football is seriously ill. They need a complete reformation or they will fall apart in the next few years. I'm not only talking about the national team obviously...


Funny enough the only good thing Italian football had in the past few years was Mourinho and Inter's success. And the Italian press and majority of Italians did everything to bring him down.

Now they don't even have that xD


It's hard to support an Italian team that hasn't got italian players...Also Mourinho won, also because Inter gave all the players he wanted in the team since the beginning, Inter is the only italian team who can afford it, at the moment, since juventus was damaged a lot, in image and economic terms by the "calciopoli" scandal, and also since Berlusconi seem like he doesn't want to invest anymore in Milan.


It's odd, I always thought that the main figures that Mourinho supported were the backbones of Inter even before he coached them, like Materazzi, Toldo or Zanetti. 

Mourinho knows how to pick players and knows what players are the best for the specifications of the team and how he wans them to play. If Inter gave him that possibility, then it was a good move, since in the end it paid off. 

And that other team excuse if pretty lame. That may have some little value inside the Italian league, but doesn't explain the success he had in European level. He's a great coach and it's pretty sad a lot of people try as hard as they can to devalue him.

He is a great coach, I'm not agruing with that, but it's also also a wrong assumption to say that Inter won beacause Mou is a genious, and now that he's gone all it's lost...his abily were not the only factor that brought inter to win.

I wasn't meaning that Inter will lose their quality. What I meant with my statement was that Mourinho was the best thing to happen to Italian football after the Calciocaos. 

But even then it was not enough, most Italian press, public and even coaches wouldn't rest until they had broken Mourinho spirit. Heck, even Mourinho himself admitted that coaching/living in Italy was almost a living hell for him.



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Barozi on 24 June 2010
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:

Couldn't be happier right now.

The Italian football is seriously ill. They need a complete reformation or they will fall apart in the next few years. I'm not only talking about the national team obviously...


Funny enough the only good thing Italian football had in the past few years was Mourinho and Inter's success. And the Italian press and majority of Italians did everything to bring him down.

Now they don't even have that xD

Can't say anything negative about Mourinho, but Inter is not a good example of Italian Football either.

I used to be an Inter fan, but regarding the last few years I have no clue why.

They cheated just as bas as Juve did in 2006, but they weren't punished for that.

More recent:

The team is made up of ~80% foreigners. They played 90 minutes in the CL finals without one Italian player.

They played in the CL with 2 players who didn't have a valid contract, when the Champions League started.

 

Guess I'm only an AC Milan fan now. Even though Berlusconi is probably the most foolish and maniacal politician since Hitler.

I don't buy the "If it has foreign players, the team has less value" excuse. A football team has the same value with or without national players. As long as they do everything in their reach to honor and value the team they're playing for at the moment, they have the same value as any other player of the same country.

I'm not an Inter fan at all, I don't care what they did or if they cheated or not. i'm a Mourinho fan, who just hates some lame excuses that are thrown around to minimize his value and success when he's clearly one of the best football coaches today.

I'm not disrespecting the players, but Inter has absolutely nothing to do with Italian football at the moment.

They are just buying players with money they don't possess and then win the Champions League. Which basically means that you can "buy" any domestic and European title.



lestatdark on 24 June 2010
Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:

Couldn't be happier right now.

The Italian football is seriously ill. They need a complete reformation or they will fall apart in the next few years. I'm not only talking about the national team obviously...


Funny enough the only good thing Italian football had in the past few years was Mourinho and Inter's success. And the Italian press and majority of Italians did everything to bring him down.

Now they don't even have that xD

Can't say anything negative about Mourinho, but Inter is not a good example of Italian Football either.

I used to be an Inter fan, but regarding the last few years I have no clue why.

They cheated just as bas as Juve did in 2006, but they weren't punished for that.

More recent:

The team is made up of ~80% foreigners. They played 90 minutes in the CL finals without one Italian player.

They played in the CL with 2 players who didn't have a valid contract, when the Champions League started.

 

Guess I'm only an AC Milan fan now. Even though Berlusconi is probably the most foolish and maniacal politician since Hitler.

I don't buy the "If it has foreign players, the team has less value" excuse. A football team has the same value with or without national players. As long as they do everything in their reach to honor and value the team they're playing for at the moment, they have the same value as any other player of the same country.

I'm not an Inter fan at all, I don't care what they did or if they cheated or not. i'm a Mourinho fan, who just hates some lame excuses that are thrown around to minimize his value and success when he's clearly one of the best football coaches today.

I'm not disrespecting the players, but Inter has absolutely nothing to do with Italian football at the moment.

They are just buying players with money they don't possess and then win the Champions League. Which basically means that you can "buy" any domestic and European title.

So annulling technically and tactically what is arguably the best club team (Barcelona) in both games and displaying an offensive football that everyone and their mother didn't think they had on the CL final against Bayern is "buying" the European title? Ok...



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Slimebeast on 24 June 2010

Denmark will win against Japan.



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zuvuyeay on 24 June 2010

wow italy bottom of a group with new zealand and out,

but come on calling lippi an idiot is wrong,he won a world cup as italy did last world cup,losing players like totti and del piero costs a team

looks like brasil are stroliing to the final,not sure where spain will end up but the he other half of the draw is tough



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freebs2 on 24 June 2010
lestatdark said:
freebs2 said:
lestatdark said:
freebs2 said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:

Couldn't be happier right now.

The Italian football is seriously ill. They need a complete reformation or they will fall apart in the next few years. I'm not only talking about the national team obviously...


Funny enough the only good thing Italian football had in the past few years was Mourinho and Inter's success. And the Italian press and majority of Italians did everything to bring him down.

Now they don't even have that xD


It's hard to support an Italian team that hasn't got italian players...Also Mourinho won, also because Inter gave all the players he wanted in the team since the beginning, Inter is the only italian team who can afford it, at the moment, since juventus was damaged a lot, in image and economic terms by the "calciopoli" scandal, and also since Berlusconi seem like he doesn't want to invest anymore in Milan.


It's odd, I always thought that the main figures that Mourinho supported were the backbones of Inter even before he coached them, like Materazzi, Toldo or Zanetti. 

Mourinho knows how to pick players and knows what players are the best for the specifications of the team and how he wans them to play. If Inter gave him that possibility, then it was a good move, since in the end it paid off. 

And that other team excuse if pretty lame. That may have some little value inside the Italian league, but doesn't explain the success he had in European level. He's a great coach and it's pretty sad a lot of people try as hard as they can to devalue him.

He is a great coach, I'm not agruing with that, but it's also also a wrong assumption to say that Inter won beacause Mou is a genious, and now that he's gone all it's lost...his abily were not the only factor that brought inter to win.

I wasn't meaning that Inter will lose their quality. What I meant with my statement was that Mourinho was the best thing to happen to Italian football after the Calciocaos. 

But even then it was not enough, most Italian press, public and even coaches wouldn't rest until they had broken Mourinho spirit. Heck, even Mourinho himself admitted that coaching/living in Italy was almost a living hell for him.

I can assure that in the Italian league unfortunatly, that's the norm. It happens with every coach.

An example, Leonardo. It was the first year for him as coach and he did an excellent job, he had to live up to Ancelotti's legacy, and the company did't gave him any of the players he asked. he had to go whith a bench that looked like a geriatric ward, whith the exception of the very talented Pato, he had also a good dose of bad luck whith a lot injuries like Nesta, Pato, Backam just to name a few, and still he managed to get in the 3rd place. After all of this, he was blamed, for these short results.

btw.After calciopoli Italy has won a world cup, and the Inter Champions League is the 2nd won by an italian team since that.



Barozi on 24 June 2010
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:

Couldn't be happier right now.

The Italian football is seriously ill. They need a complete reformation or they will fall apart in the next few years. I'm not only talking about the national team obviously...


Funny enough the only good thing Italian football had in the past few years was Mourinho and Inter's success. And the Italian press and majority of Italians did everything to bring him down.

Now they don't even have that xD

Can't say anything negative about Mourinho, but Inter is not a good example of Italian Football either.

I used to be an Inter fan, but regarding the last few years I have no clue why.

They cheated just as bas as Juve did in 2006, but they weren't punished for that.

More recent:

The team is made up of ~80% foreigners. They played 90 minutes in the CL finals without one Italian player.

They played in the CL with 2 players who didn't have a valid contract, when the Champions League started.

 

Guess I'm only an AC Milan fan now. Even though Berlusconi is probably the most foolish and maniacal politician since Hitler.

I don't buy the "If it has foreign players, the team has less value" excuse. A football team has the same value with or without national players. As long as they do everything in their reach to honor and value the team they're playing for at the moment, they have the same value as any other player of the same country.

I'm not an Inter fan at all, I don't care what they did or if they cheated or not. i'm a Mourinho fan, who just hates some lame excuses that are thrown around to minimize his value and success when he's clearly one of the best football coaches today.

I'm not disrespecting the players, but Inter has absolutely nothing to do with Italian football at the moment.

They are just buying players with money they don't possess and then win the Champions League. Which basically means that you can "buy" any domestic and European title.

So annulling technically and tactically what is arguably the best club team (Barcelona) in both games and displaying an offensive football that everyone and their mother didn't think they had on the CL final against Bayern is "buying" the European title? Ok...

5 of the 11 starters of Inter in the semi-finals were bought for the 2009/2010 season. (Barca: 1 of 11)

The same is true for the final (Bayern: 1 of 11)

Luckily (and I've seen many many people agreeing with me) Real didn't win anything this season. I guess the focus was on Madrid the whole time, so that many football fans didn't even notice that Inter had the same buying habits.



lestatdark on 24 June 2010
freebs2 said:
lestatdark said:
freebs2 said:
lestatdark said:
freebs2 said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:

Couldn't be happier right now.

The Italian football is seriously ill. They need a complete reformation or they will fall apart in the next few years. I'm not only talking about the national team obviously...


Funny enough the only good thing Italian football had in the past few years was Mourinho and Inter's success. And the Italian press and majority of Italians did everything to bring him down.

Now they don't even have that xD


It's hard to support an Italian team that hasn't got italian players...Also Mourinho won, also because Inter gave all the players he wanted in the team since the beginning, Inter is the only italian team who can afford it, at the moment, since juventus was damaged a lot, in image and economic terms by the "calciopoli" scandal, and also since Berlusconi seem like he doesn't want to invest anymore in Milan.


It's odd, I always thought that the main figures that Mourinho supported were the backbones of Inter even before he coached them, like Materazzi, Toldo or Zanetti. 

Mourinho knows how to pick players and knows what players are the best for the specifications of the team and how he wans them to play. If Inter gave him that possibility, then it was a good move, since in the end it paid off. 

And that other team excuse if pretty lame. That may have some little value inside the Italian league, but doesn't explain the success he had in European level. He's a great coach and it's pretty sad a lot of people try as hard as they can to devalue him.

He is a great coach, I'm not agruing with that, but it's also also a wrong assumption to say that Inter won beacause Mou is a genious, and now that he's gone all it's lost...his abily were not the only factor that brought inter to win.

I wasn't meaning that Inter will lose their quality. What I meant with my statement was that Mourinho was the best thing to happen to Italian football after the Calciocaos. 

But even then it was not enough, most Italian press, public and even coaches wouldn't rest until they had broken Mourinho spirit. Heck, even Mourinho himself admitted that coaching/living in Italy was almost a living hell for him.

I can assure that in the Italian league unfortunatly, that's the norm. It happens with every coach.

An example, Leonardo. It was the first year for him as coach and he did an excellent job, he had to live up to Ancelotti's legacy, and the company did't gave him any of the players he asked. he had to go whith a bench that looked like a geriatric ward, whith the exception of the very talented Pato, he had also a good dose of bad luck whith a lot injuries like Nesta, Pato, Backam just to name a few, and still he managed to get in the 3rd place. After all of this, he was blamed, for these short results.

btw.After calciopoli Italy has won a world cup, and the Inter Champions League is the 2nd won by an italian team since that.

Actually, didn't Calciocaos happen in may 2006 and punishments handed out from July - August? Milan's CL win an Itay WC win happened during between this period.

Did not know about that was the overall treatment for coaches in Italy though. It's almost like a lose-lose situation if the coaches don't get results even if they don't have the resources.



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lestatdark on 24 June 2010
Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:

Couldn't be happier right now.

The Italian football is seriously ill. They need a complete reformation or they will fall apart in the next few years. I'm not only talking about the national team obviously...


Funny enough the only good thing Italian football had in the past few years was Mourinho and Inter's success. And the Italian press and majority of Italians did everything to bring him down.

Now they don't even have that xD

Can't say anything negative about Mourinho, but Inter is not a good example of Italian Football either.

I used to be an Inter fan, but regarding the last few years I have no clue why.

They cheated just as bas as Juve did in 2006, but they weren't punished for that.

More recent:

The team is made up of ~80% foreigners. They played 90 minutes in the CL finals without one Italian player.

They played in the CL with 2 players who didn't have a valid contract, when the Champions League started.

 

Guess I'm only an AC Milan fan now. Even though Berlusconi is probably the most foolish and maniacal politician since Hitler.

I don't buy the "If it has foreign players, the team has less value" excuse. A football team has the same value with or without national players. As long as they do everything in their reach to honor and value the team they're playing for at the moment, they have the same value as any other player of the same country.

I'm not an Inter fan at all, I don't care what they did or if they cheated or not. i'm a Mourinho fan, who just hates some lame excuses that are thrown around to minimize his value and success when he's clearly one of the best football coaches today.

I'm not disrespecting the players, but Inter has absolutely nothing to do with Italian football at the moment.

They are just buying players with money they don't possess and then win the Champions League. Which basically means that you can "buy" any domestic and European title.

So annulling technically and tactically what is arguably the best club team (Barcelona) in both games and displaying an offensive football that everyone and their mother didn't think they had on the CL final against Bayern is "buying" the European title? Ok...

5 of the 11 starters of Inter in the semi-finals were bought for the 2009/2010 season. (Barca: 1 of 11)

The same is true for the final (Bayern: 1 of 11)

Luckily (and I've seen many many people agreeing with me) Real didn't win anything this season. I guess the focus was on Madrid the whole time, so that many football fans didn't even notice that Inter had the same buying habits.

I agree with you that Real didn't deserve to win anything in this season, but not for the same reason. They didn't play as a team until it was too late for them. Most of the time, their games felt like looking individual players trying to steal the spotlight for themselves. 



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