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England created three or four good chances so you're right, if every one of those had gone in they would have had three or four goals. Due to poor finishing from the dismal Heskey and SWP they didn't get them. How is that unlucky rather than poor play from players out of their depth? I've seen a few people say that but luck obviously had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Of course every team loses the ball, but a team as talented as England shouldn't do it so often. What, other than the assist, impressed you about Heskey? He didn't do anything else useful.

I didn't write the USA off, I just said they're not in the same class as England in terms of individual talent. No need to be condescending.

And could you, and any other English fans here, answer just one question: why are you content for your team to play the long ball up to the big man when they have such exceptional players? It's 1970s stuff. They tried it for so long last night and it just didn't work, against average defenders.



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selnor said:
kennyrester said:
kowenicki said:

Yeah, was on a flight last night so missed the game..

Just finished watching it.  No problems really, dodgy goalkeeping moment and rooney playing quite badly aside I thought we did ok.

Heskey and Gerrard were superb I thought.  we will qualify easily.

If the US had actually trued to play in the second half rathert than just sit back then we would have nicked as few goals.

Usual hysteria when we dont smash 3 or 4 goals from the press and people who only watch football once every 4 years....  we will be fine.  The US will bore their way through too.

 

 

What were you watching? The USA are a team of journeymen and England resorted to lumping the ball up to Heskey/Crouch for the entire match. Why aren't you depressed by that? Other than assisting the goal Heskey created sweet fuck all. He gave the ball away as much as he won it, against very average defenders. All that's expected of him is the odd knock down and he just about did that acceptably, but missed an absolute sitter at 1-1.

I was very surprised England played that badly, they're an immensely talented team. Rooney didn't play badly, he got no service as your disfunctional Gerrard-Lampard midfield were unsurprisingly rubbish and were bypassed by the long ball. The USA tried to play more than England when they had the ball and actually attempted to string a couple of passes together but were let down by a general lack of talent.

The only thing you said that I do agree with is that you will qualify easily, and probably in first place

What game did you watch? England played very well. Every team has poor moments and passing in every match. Brazil, France, Italy lose the ball numerous times a match due to pathetic passing.

It just matters how many chances are created. It's this pathetic downing of England all the time that is so dire IMO.

England created alot of chances that were good. On a another night England would have had 3 or 4 goals with these chances. It's been awhile since England have played good passing along the 'GROUND' all match. Hesky played well. I was impressed with him. I thought we defended open play well, but were lacks on set pieces. Unusual for England. 

It was by no strecth of the imagination a poor performance. And to right USA off ( they beat the full Italy and Brazil teams in the last year ) is pathetic. 

England looked good. Unlucky IMO. People need to stop being pundits and be realistic.


What you are talking about? USA lost against Italy 3-1 and against Brazil 3-2. Not only that, they lost Concacaf's Gold cup finals to Mexico 5-0.



 

 

 

 

 

Well on the evidence of the appauling Slovakia vs Algeria match, England are in for a few easy games to sort out our issues, so we shouldn't be too worried, we just need to score plenty of goals to make sure we go top

Serbia vs Ghana might be an interesting match, both pretty good teams, even without Essien



kowenicki said:
kennyrester said:

England created three or four good chances so you're right, if every one of those had gone in they would have had three or four goals. Due to poor finishing from the dismal Heskey and SWP they didn't get them. How is that unlucky rather than poor play from players out of their depth? I've seen a few people say that but luck obviously had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Of course every team loses the ball, but a team as talented as England shouldn't do it so often. What, other than the assist, impressed you about Heskey? He didn't do anything else useful.

I didn't write the USA off, I just said they're not in the same class as England in terms of individual talent. No need to be condescending.

And could you, and any other English fans here, answer just one question: why are you content for your team to play the long ball up to the big man when they have such exceptional players? It's 1970s stuff. They tried it for so long last night and it just didn't work, against average defenders.

We will worry about our team... you worry about yours... whoever that may be?  It is th FIRST game in a world cup, the most important thing is not to lose.  Simple as that.     You got Scottish blood in their somewhere?




Now that's xenophobic, good man yourself! I'm Irish by the way. I had no idea that excluded me from criticising the English team though.

I know it wasn't a terrible result but surely you expect a win against inferior opposition? And to play more imaginative football? And to have sorted out the Gerrard-Lampard problem after all these years?

A draw means you actually have to try in the next two games, so it was important to win

 



I hate those horns. Seriously.

Someone hit another guy with one. Get them banned. Please!

Totally ruining it. I'm thinking about muting the TV and getting some Radio commentary on...



                            

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haxxiy said:
selnor said:
kennyrester said:
kowenicki said:

Yeah, was on a flight last night so missed the game..

Just finished watching it.  No problems really, dodgy goalkeeping moment and rooney playing quite badly aside I thought we did ok.

Heskey and Gerrard were superb I thought.  we will qualify easily.

If the US had actually trued to play in the second half rathert than just sit back then we would have nicked as few goals.

Usual hysteria when we dont smash 3 or 4 goals from the press and people who only watch football once every 4 years....  we will be fine.  The US will bore their way through too.

 

 

What were you watching? The USA are a team of journeymen and England resorted to lumping the ball up to Heskey/Crouch for the entire match. Why aren't you depressed by that? Other than assisting the goal Heskey created sweet fuck all. He gave the ball away as much as he won it, against very average defenders. All that's expected of him is the odd knock down and he just about did that acceptably, but missed an absolute sitter at 1-1.

I was very surprised England played that badly, they're an immensely talented team. Rooney didn't play badly, he got no service as your disfunctional Gerrard-Lampard midfield were unsurprisingly rubbish and were bypassed by the long ball. The USA tried to play more than England when they had the ball and actually attempted to string a couple of passes together but were let down by a general lack of talent.

The only thing you said that I do agree with is that you will qualify easily, and probably in first place

What game did you watch? England played very well. Every team has poor moments and passing in every match. Brazil, France, Italy lose the ball numerous times a match due to pathetic passing.

It just matters how many chances are created. It's this pathetic downing of England all the time that is so dire IMO.

England created alot of chances that were good. On a another night England would have had 3 or 4 goals with these chances. It's been awhile since England have played good passing along the 'GROUND' all match. Hesky played well. I was impressed with him. I thought we defended open play well, but were lacks on set pieces. Unusual for England. 

It was by no strecth of the imagination a poor performance. And to right USA off ( they beat the full Italy and Brazil teams in the last year ) is pathetic. 

England looked good. Unlucky IMO. People need to stop being pundits and be realistic.


What you are talking about? USA lost against Italy 3-1 and against Brazil 3-2. Not only that, they lost Concacaf's Gold cup finals to Mexico 5-0.

My apologies. It was Spain they beat. I meant to say they were 'beating' Brazil. The performance against Brazil was amazing by USA. And Mexico? Every team has a blunder much. Look at Algeria today. They were faves against Slovenia. Either way I expect USA and England to go through easily of the dire performances of Alg and Slov. That is a poor performance. What England did was good. World Class? No. But it's the first match. We never see world class in any first World Cup match from any team. Solid yes. 

Regardless, this talk of England being poor is unfounded. They played well. Had a wealth of chances. Sometimes in football the ball just doesnt fall kindly. It's football after all. Argentina played well and only scored 1 goal as well. 

I hope Green plays the next match to. That can happen to any keeper in the world cup. It was a freak moment that is very rare for a keeper to make twice in a season let alone a World Cup.



lestatdark said:
Lord Flashheart said:

lol.

Where?


It's a team from Greece (to be fair, the only player we got from there it's the third goal keeper )


Can we have him?



kowenicki said:
kennyrester said:
kowenicki said:
kennyrester said:

England created three or four good chances so you're right, if every one of those had gone in they would have had three or four goals. Due to poor finishing from the dismal Heskey and SWP they didn't get them. How is that unlucky rather than poor play from players out of their depth? I've seen a few people say that but luck obviously had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Of course every team loses the ball, but a team as talented as England shouldn't do it so often. What, other than the assist, impressed you about Heskey? He didn't do anything else useful.

I didn't write the USA off, I just said they're not in the same class as England in terms of individual talent. No need to be condescending.

And could you, and any other English fans here, answer just one question: why are you content for your team to play the long ball up to the big man when they have such exceptional players? It's 1970s stuff. They tried it for so long last night and it just didn't work, against average defenders.

We will worry about our team... you worry about yours... whoever that may be?  It is th FIRST game in a world cup, the most important thing is not to lose.  Simple as that.     You got Scottish blood in their somewhere?




Now that's xenophobic, good man yourself! I'm Irish by the way. I had no idea that excluded me from criticising the English team though.

I know it wasn't a terrible result but surely you expect a win against inferior opposition? And to play more imaginative football? And to have sorted out the Gerrard-Lampard problem after all these years?

A draw means you actually have to try in the next two games, so it was important to win

 

I was close.

I'd have thought you loved long ball football.....  served Ireland well for years. 

Who are you getting behind for this world cup then?  not France presumably....

We play long ball because we're shite though.

The Dutch are usually my team in Ireland's absence. I'm not sure why, maybe something to do with their unpredictability. The French hate here is so embarrassing I almost hope they do win it. All this crap from non-football dickheads who don't know Robbie Keane handled the ball into the net to give us the win over Georgia. Every pub has jumped on the bandwagon, there's posters of Henry with "Barred!" written on them everywhere. It's humiliating.



kennyrester said:

England created three or four good chances so you're right, if every one of those had gone in they would have had three or four goals. Due to poor finishing from the dismal Heskey and SWP they didn't get them. How is that unlucky rather than poor play from players out of their depth? I've seen a few people say that but luck obviously had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Of course every team loses the ball, but a team as talented as England shouldn't do it so often. What, other than the assist, impressed you about Heskey? He didn't do anything else useful.

I didn't write the USA off, I just said they're not in the same class as England in terms of individual talent. No need to be condescending.

And could you, and any other English fans here, answer just one question: why are you content for your team to play the long ball up to the big man when they have such exceptional players? It's 1970s stuff. They tried it for so long last night and it just didn't work, against average defenders.

I would have called Englands play last night mixed. Not only long ball. I remember lots of times England playing short balls through the middle creating chances and causing lots of problems. I agree the times we played long ball didnt really work last night. But mixing it up, makes the opposition not knowing what you nay do. 

Defensively in open play, England pushed up well, defended high, and it was good to see the forwards attacking the ball with the mid fielders right up close. Something England hasnt done before. It worked much better. 

Dont get me wrong, it wasnt perfect. And not up to Final standard. But no team plays that well first match.

It was solid, which I'm happy with. Disappointing goal. Hell yes. Will get on Greens back? No way. It can happen to any keeper. No matter of talent. 

All I'm saying is there was alot more positives than negatives. But because of the quality of individuals we have, everyone expects perfection with England for 100% of the time.



Ha ha thats funny Kenny.

At least the beeb and ITV have lowered the volume levels of the crowds. Now it's not so much a buzz and if you listen really well you can hear the crowd. Sometimes.

You can also hear tunes from the vulvas. Still bloody annoying as you shouldn't have to lower the sound and listen intentively just to hear atmosphere at a footy game.