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Id just like to point out that massive advanced civilizations had been reported to exist is the Congo jungle, and that Europeans are not smarter or in any way superior. Another thing would be that the Aztecs held the largest city in the world at the time of its peak.

I think Samus has a horrible way to phraseing things, and that words like 'dumb' should have been replaced by 'uninformed'.




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Voltaire said:
Id just like to point out that massive advanced civilizations had been reported to exist is the Congo jungle, and that Europeans are not smarter or in any way superior. Another thing would be that the Aztecs held the largest city in the world at the time of its peak.

I think Samus has a horrible way to phraseing things, and that words like 'dumb' should have been replaced by 'uninformed'.


Any link man ? I'm really curious to know how far they were advanced and if they were using writing

About what u said, one could add that the ancient Egyptians were black



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Dinomax said:
Mummelmann said:
Dinomax said:
After watching left 4 dead 2 footage, where exactly is the racism?

Now Resident Evil 5. Thats some racism right there.

1-Why? Because i takes place in Africa or because they portray Africa as being inhabited by Africans? The real evil folks in RE5 are white guys anyway...

2-I didn't see anyone screaming in agony over shooting Spanish people in RE4. Why is that? I really don't see how racism can effect only people of a certain skintone, I was subjected to racism myself about a week ago.

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God your so racist against Portugese you think they speak spanish...WHAT YOU GOT AGAINST LATINOS? 

 

 

Does this image of a latino man make you feel nervous?  Yeah I bet you are.

 

Yeah, I'd be nervous. But only because he'd be a zombie if he were coming after me.



libellule said:
Voltaire said:
Id just like to point out that massive advanced civilizations had been reported to exist is the Congo jungle, and that Europeans are not smarter or in any way superior. Another thing would be that the Aztecs held the largest city in the world at the time of its peak.

I think Samus has a horrible way to phraseing things, and that words like 'dumb' should have been replaced by 'uninformed'.


Any link man ? I'm really curious to know how far they were advanced and if they were using writing

About what u said, one could add that the ancient Egyptians were black

That's a myth created in the 20th century.



Gnizmo said:
madskillz said:
 

You rang?

Yeah - I have been all over N.O.  - Garden District, Metarie, Gentilly, 9th Ward, New Orleans East - it was my old stomping grounds. Very, very, very familiar with the area. Visited right after Katrina and hurt me to my heart. That said, of course I know whites are the minority - but my op-ed - and that's all it was - was about an undertone. What's an undertone? Lawd, not trying to start anything, but an undertone is an undercurrent - something folks may or may not see. Did you read that article? Did you see what I said? And that stuff about RE5 - which I have played - was actually brought up by three gamers - all co-workers - and you'll never guess what race they were. Two are white - one is half Asian, half white. And they wholeheartedly endorsed and agreed with my post. I do too. It's my view on it.

Honestly, I got a very rare opportunity - to be in the midst of this thread, see your real thoughts about my views.

Comeon, folks - keep the party going. Be real - just because it's me, don't stop it. I'm still the same guy who doesn't understand the Civil War - who apparently says L4D2 was racist, as well as RE5.

The sheer amount of attention to my opinion is staggering.

 

Technically speaking, Metairie really isn't part of New Orleans. They like to think of themselves as independant and a seperate city and all that jazz. Mostly this is just white flight in action. Given that you actually listed it as a part of NO I am inclined to believe you must have spent a decent amount of time here. So, you win that round of criticism.

Yes, I have read your original article, and disagree with it on several other points to match. Given you seem to at least reference a lot of my problems in passing I won't bother going into them. It is unlikely you are going to listen to what I have to say, and I have no interest in getting a statement that you disagree and going back and forth for a few pages. I will focus on that one off paragraph for a number of reasons. Mostly because it was such an incredibly bad idea to include a trivial point in your argument and completley under-cuts anything else you try to say.

Any shooter set in NO should have you shooting black people. Thats the high and low of it. There is no 2 ways about this. Walk around the actual city and you will (and have) notice the racial mix. I suppose the one exception to this rule would be a tourist hunting game, and I am all for that being made. Claiming that having several black zombies could be a racist undertone is completely ridiculous though. It is playing the race card in the worst of ways. Pulling stupid shit like that hurts the push to perfect racial equality rather than helping it. If black people become some separate and special race that can't be used like others then they will ALWAYS be viewed differently.

As for RE5, well I can't comment on the game itself. Never really played it. Your comments in the blog though sound incredibly racist as well. Why is it wrong to have black zombies as the enemy? Why does it even matter hmm? I don't care what color the people who agreed with you are. I really just couldn't care less where an opinion comes from. If you want to cry racism at every little turn you are more than welcome to. However, so long as you try to see the races as needing to be treated differently you will never be able to even help realize true racial equality. Maintaining seperate and distinct rule for different categories of people will always hurt the cause. Always.

Look, I stated that the location, especially N.O. (and most folks hear Metarie and think N.O. because you don't know where N.O. stops and Metarie starts), and skin color, in some games could be perceived as racist. Seriously - I said there seemed to be racial undertones - which, unless I don't understand the term means below the surface - coming in video games. Folks cried bloody murder with RE5 - L4D2 will - mark my words - will remind folks of Katrina and the horrors - and folks will definitely jump on this bandwagon.

All I was doing - in my opinion piece - was telling devs to be careful with things that could appear to be racial. That's it. While you may not see the racial aspect with some games, other folks do. That is all I am stating. Never once - anywhere - did I state the game was racist.

Folks read it - saw race - pissed in their pants and posted away. The simple fact that Kotaku, Destructoid and even this forum - and the tons of fan e-mails and the like (including phone calls) show this op-ed piece really, really touched a nerve with a topic that is very important and needs to be discussed in a civil manner.

Did I expect this kind of attention from this blog post? No. A few angry e-mails over my Rebel flag statement, but guess what? It's one man's opinion that's making the rounds around the Web.

@ Mafoo - yes, my real name is Willie Jefferson. I got my nickname Mad Skillz from some peeps.

EDIT: Sorry for bumping this thread. I am on vacation and was just responding to a post - without reading through all the posts. Sorry - won't happen again, folks.



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madskillz said:

Look, I stated that the location, especially N.O. (and most folks hear Metarie and think N.O. because you don't know where N.O. stops and Metarie starts), and skin color, in some games could be perceived as racist. Seriously - I said there seemed to be racial undertones - which, unless I don't understand the term means below the surface - coming in video games. Folks cried bloody murder with RE5 - L4D2 will - mark my words - will remind folks of Katrina and the horrors - and folks will definitely jump on this bandwagon.

All I was doing - in my opinion piece - was telling devs to be careful with things that could appear to be racial. That's it. While you may not see the racial aspect with some games, other folks do. That is all I am stating. Never once - anywhere - did I state the game was racist.

Folks read it - saw race - pissed in their pants and posted away. The simple fact that Kotaku, Destructoid and even this forum - and the tons of fan e-mails and the like (including phone calls) show this op-ed piece really, really touched a nerve with a topic that is very important and needs to be discussed in a civil manner.

Did I expect this kind of attention from this blog post? No. A few angry e-mails over my Rebel flag statement, but guess what? It's one man's opinion that's making the rounds around the Web.

@ Mafoo - yes, my real name is Willie Jefferson. I got my nickname Mad Skillz from some peeps.

EDIT: Sorry for bumping this thread. I am on vacation and was just responding to a post - without reading through all the posts. Sorry - won't happen again, folks.

People saw it and got pissed off because it seemed frivolous. The nerve you have touched on is people's hatred of random accusations of racism. How you see that as a good thing, or even something supporting your cause boggles my mind. You realize that the nerve you touched is completely divorced from the point you are trying to make right? This fact is not lost on you I hope.

The horrors of Katrina have come and gone. Is everything super peachy keen and fine? Absolutely not in some areas. Most places though are back up and running as per normal. Protecting the city because of this tragedy will hurt it more than help anything. So long as people link Katrina to New Orleans they are less likely to visit here. Anything that helps put that takes New Orleans off that sacred cow status is a good thing. We are a tourist city. No tourists means our economy suffers very badly. The more people feel ok with using it as a setting liek it used to be, then the more likely people will just think of it as another great party city. That is the best thing that could happen right now.



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sguy78 said:
Dinomax said:
Mummelmann said:
Dinomax said:
After watching left 4 dead 2 footage, where exactly is the racism?

Now Resident Evil 5. Thats some racism right there.

1-Why? Because i takes place in Africa or because they portray Africa as being inhabited by Africans? The real evil folks in RE5 are white guys anyway...

2-I didn't see anyone screaming in agony over shooting Spanish people in RE4. Why is that? I really don't see how racism can effect only people of a certain skintone, I was subjected to racism myself about a week ago.

1-

2-

God your so racist against Portugese you think they speak spanish...WHAT YOU GOT AGAINST LATINOS? 

 

 

Does this image of a latino man make you feel nervous?  Yeah I bet you are.

 

Yeah, I'd be nervous. But only because he'd be a zombie if he were coming after me.

That's horrible!!! XD



so white people can only be zombies



Gnizmo said:
madskillz said:
 

Look, I stated that the location, especially N.O. (and most folks hear Metarie and think N.O. because you don't know where N.O. stops and Metarie starts), and skin color, in some games could be perceived as racist. Seriously - I said there seemed to be racial undertones - which, unless I don't understand the term means below the surface - coming in video games. Folks cried bloody murder with RE5 - L4D2 will - mark my words - will remind folks of Katrina and the horrors - and folks will definitely jump on this bandwagon.

All I was doing - in my opinion piece - was telling devs to be careful with things that could appear to be racial. That's it. While you may not see the racial aspect with some games, other folks do. That is all I am stating. Never once - anywhere - did I state the game was racist.

Folks read it - saw race - pissed in their pants and posted away. The simple fact that Kotaku, Destructoid and even this forum - and the tons of fan e-mails and the like (including phone calls) show this op-ed piece really, really touched a nerve with a topic that is very important and needs to be discussed in a civil manner.

Did I expect this kind of attention from this blog post? No. A few angry e-mails over my Rebel flag statement, but guess what? It's one man's opinion that's making the rounds around the Web.

@ Mafoo - yes, my real name is Willie Jefferson. I got my nickname Mad Skillz from some peeps.

EDIT: Sorry for bumping this thread. I am on vacation and was just responding to a post - without reading through all the posts. Sorry - won't happen again, folks.

 

People saw it and got pissed off because it seemed frivolous. The nerve you have touched on is people's hatred of random accusations of racism. How you see that as a good thing, or even something supporting your cause boggles my mind. You realize that the nerve you touched is completely divorced from the point you are trying to make right? This fact is not lost on you I hope.

 

This!



I LOVE paying for Xbox Live! I also love that my love for it pisses off so many people.

libellule said:
Voltaire said:Id just like to point out that massive advanced civilizations had been reported to exist is the Congo jungle, and that Europeans are not smarter or in any way superior.

Any link man ? I'm really curious to know how far they were advanced and if they were using writing

About what u said, one could add that the ancient Egyptians were black

I avoided this thread until I discovered that d21lewis left VGC because of something posted in it. Then I read this and felt compelled to provide an answer. As a political science major, one of the subjects I have studied is political development in West Africa. There are a few examples of great kingdoms that originated in Sub-Saharan Africa. I stress Sub-Saharan Africa for a reason: it is known as the land of the blacks. While there is debate about the race(s) of the Egyptians, there is no doubt that a political entity originating in Sub-Saharan Africa is black. For me, the most enjoyable kingdom to study was the Mali Empire. The Mali Empire was a massive empire that contained approximately 43 million people. It was quite wealthy. In fact, the hajj of Mansa Musa, mansa (emperor) of Mali, was famous for the amount of wealth and splendor displayed by his court. Reportedly, he spent and donated so much gold in Cairo that it depressed the price of gold for approximately a decade. He also incorporated and expanded the famous city of Timbuktu. Timbuktu is home to the prestigious Sankore University and was a major contributor to Islamic civilization.