MontanaHatchet said: Well if the Wii doesn't, its sequel will. Money talks. If Nintendo is the market leader next generation like they were this generation, developers will come around. The Playstation was built on casuals much the same as the Wii. And if Zelda: Twilight Princess is any indication, core games can sell on the Wii.

zelda is from nintendo, this is about third parties, nintendo got a following fanbase, zelda, mario will sell great of course.

but even so games like metroid prime don't sell as big.

games COD sell more on the ps3 and 360 with smaller userbase.

@DNO: Umm... How long have the recession been going? How much impact has it had on games industry? And long the companies have been posting losses?

Btw. your list had a few PC devs, who have moved downstream, ie. started to develop console games instead of only PC games. I also don't think M$ should be counted for a list that's supposed to show how 3rd parties are doing, after all, M$ gets licence fees for every game sold on 360.
And actually, the list had only Capcom and Konami, that aren't heavily pushing PC development.
Also, none of the companies release many PS360 games, most of their games are on a completely different platforms.

I'm sure quality 3rd party games will do well. Average games will sell at an average pace.

Xoj said: MontanaHatchet said: Well if the Wii doesn't, its sequel will. Money talks. If Nintendo is the market leader next generation like they were this generation, developers will come around. The Playstation was built on casuals much the same as the Wii. And if Zelda: Twilight Princess is any indication, core games can sell on the Wii. zelda is from nintendo, this is about third parties, nintendo got a following fanbase, zelda, mario will sell great of course. but even so games like metroid prime don't sell as big. games COD sell more on the ps3 and 360 with smaller userbase.

But it's CoD and it has a fanbase, of course it will sell, but how about other third parties.

Montanas post was about core games. It's quite obvious that the biggest names sell the most, no matter who developed the game.
Using the logic that seems to be pretty obvious in your post, it would be like saying that shooters don't sell on 360 because Halo sold so well.

Metroid isn't that big name as Nintendos other core titles, namely Mario and Zelda, so it's no wonder it didn't sell as well. I believe Corruption is the third best-selling Metroid game.

bdbdbd said: Xoj said: MontanaHatchet said: Well if the Wii doesn't, its sequel will. Money talks. If Nintendo is the market leader next generation like they were this generation, developers will come around. The Playstation was built on casuals much the same as the Wii. And if Zelda: Twilight Princess is any indication, core games can sell on the Wii. zelda is from nintendo, this is about third parties, nintendo got a following fanbase, zelda, mario will sell great of course. but even so games like metroid prime don't sell as big. games COD sell more on the ps3 and 360 with smaller userbase. But it's CoD and it has a fanbase, of course it will sell, but how about other third parties. Montanas post was about core games. It's quite obvious that the biggest names sell the most, no matter who developed the game. Using the logic that seems to be pretty obvious in your post, it would be like saying that shooters don't sell on 360 because Halo sold so well. Metroid isn't that big name as Nintendos other core titles, namely Mario and Zelda, so it's no wonder it didn't sell as well. I believe Corruption is the third best-selling Metroid game.

I'm glad you addressed this, as it seems like something people try to use in an effort to marginalize Wii software sales by discounting Nintendo titles but they never do the same for the other consoles.

Metroid prime almost sold 3 million, how is that a bad thing? The reason why metroid prime isn't so huge is because people in Japan don't like games with first person view.

bdbdbd said: @DNO: Umm... How long have the recession been going? How much impact has it had on games industry? And long the companies have been posting losses? Btw. your list had a few PC devs, who have moved downstream, ie. started to develop console games instead of only PC games. I also don't think M$ should be counted for a list that's supposed to show how 3rd parties are doing, after all, M$ gets licence fees for every game sold on 360. And actually, the list had only Capcom and Konami, that aren't heavily pushing PC development. Also, none of the companies release many PS360 games, most of their games are on a completely different platforms.

You can make all the excusues you want but these HUGE 3rd parties are making money and have released next to nothing on the wii.. thats a fact.

 

They do NOT need wii for games. and PC devs cost just as much as an HD system. and all those companies made money on the ps360 which is my point.

Dno said: bdbdbd said: @DNO: Umm... How long have the recession been going? How much impact has it had on games industry? And long the companies have been posting losses? Btw. your list had a few PC devs, who have moved downstream, ie. started to develop console games instead of only PC games. I also don't think M$ should be counted for a list that's supposed to show how 3rd parties are doing, after all, M$ gets licence fees for every game sold on 360. And actually, the list had only Capcom and Konami, that aren't heavily pushing PC development. Also, none of the companies release many PS360 games, most of their games are on a completely different platforms. You can make all the excusues you want but these HUGE 3rd parties are making money and have released next to nothing on the wii.. thats a fact.   They do NOT need wii for games. and PC devs cost just as much as an HD system. and all those companies made money on the ps360 which is my point.

Yes it does costs the same. That's why the PC devs move to PS360, they can port the games between the platforms.

I don't think the point in this discussion really is whether 3rd party need the Wii or not (most of them do, however, only the big ones with big name titles necessarily don't), but whether the PS360 games only -development is a sustainable model. It seems to be very few games that are profiting with them, which is the point. We can pick a PS3 or 360 game that made a huge profit, or pick a Wii game that lost money, or the same thing with publishers, but that's not giving us the big picture.

There are also bigger risks associated than before, just look at what happened to Factor 5 after a big flop.

I agree.

Let's turn the question on its head -- if everything goes to motion control, what kind of support will consoles get from PC software makers?

In other words, if Microsoft wants everything to have a Project Natal application, will Bethesda say, "We're going PC only?" (Just one possible hypothetical case.)

This relates back to the OP because the unique/different control scheme could be one reason that third parties initially strayed away from the Wii. Now if they are all doing it, will some developers retreat back to their PC/computer roots rather than adapt to the new situation?

Mike from Morgantown