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S-L-I-P said:

Has anyone realized sony's market share is going up instead of down? If it was a flop, if the winner was already declared, the market share it holds would plummet. This is not the case, they have about a 15 percent chance with the right strategies, and logic to make a come back. It seems they are moving in the right step with their new advertisement campaign.

 

 


Percentage of marketshare rising is not an accurate synopsis of what's really happening with PS3 sales. They are being outsold at least 2 to 1 every week against the 360 and the Wii is trumping even that. Market share will continue to rise because that's how percentages work, but the actual gap between the consoles is continuing to widen each month.



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CrazzyMan said:
Does it matter?

Till you get your most anticipated games?
i mean, by the end of 2008 there will be over 20 must play and must have games for me on ps3. it`s like around 1000$ and over 1000hours of gameplay.

If you people think, developers will stop making exlusives for ps3 or the game graphics will be only worse compared to x360, then you are really stupid.
PS3 FTW. It has everything, what is needed to be a winner.

But most important for me, in 2008 ps3 will have so many games which i wanna to play so much.

p.s. as xbox also was getting ps2 games, so and ps3 will get a lot of multiplatform games. But ps3 being more superrior to x360 (hdd, blu-ray, cell, free online) will get also a lot of exclusive 3rd party games like Heavy Rain or Rockstar Project. =)

 

you mean games like lair?

 

 



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scotland yard said:
S-L-I-P said:

Has anyone realized sony's market share is going up instead of down? If it was a flop, if the winner was already declared, the market share it holds would plummet. This is not the case, they have about a 15 percent chance with the right strategies, and logic to make a come back. It seems they are moving in the right step with their new advertisement campaign.

 

 


Percentage of marketshare rising is not an accurate synopsis of what's really happening with PS3 sales. They are being outsold at least 2 to 1 every week against the 360 and the Wii is trumping even that. Market share will continue to rise because that's how percentages work, but the actual gap between the consoles is continuing to widen each month.

you make it seem like the 360 has been outselling the ps3 2 to 1 for years now... its only been doing it for 3 to 4 weeks now.. which is not good but dont make it seem like its been like that since forever...

 



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Many people cite the eventual adoption of HDTVs as a reason why the PS3 and/or Xbox 360 will see greater sales later in life and as a reason why the Wii will inevitably see lower sales. One thing I don’t think that these people consider is that simply owning a HDTV doesn’t ensure that you will be motivated to choose one of the HD consoles. In order for HDTV to be a big motivating factor:

  1. People will need to be fully aware of the quality level of the content that they're watching. For this to happen people will need to be exposed to a lot of HD signals (1080i, 720p and 1080p) on properly connected hardware; being that there has been resistance for most channels to move towards digital (480p) and the HD Movies are not taking off at lightning speed I expect that this condition will occur late in this generation (after 2010)
  2. People will need to actively seek out High Definition. There are (currently) no strong statistics but it has been suggested that a large portion of HDTVs have been bought over the past couple of years because they were large screen flat pannel displays and their purchase had little to do with their resolution; the supporting evidence to this is that digital cable (and in particular HD-Digital cable) has not been increasing at the same rate as HDTV sales.
  3. People will need to reject standard definition signals. As long as people keep watching movies on DVD or television at 480p (or worse) the lower resolution of the Wii will not be an issue.


Dodece said:
There is a difference between probable and possible. This would not be a probable outcome so should be discounted. The same way you should not consider the possibility that the moon will vaporize before your very eyes. You have to create a line beyond which you will not consider.

Sony has a myriad of problems with its new console, and frankly only radical solutions can bring about these results. Further more Sony has not shown a capacity to adapt in a timely manner. Sony executives are still worried about production. Even though that is not their real problem. They thought it would be their problem, but it did not end up being so. Yet even last month they were trying to console analysts that they will be able to meet shipment estimates.

The first thing Sony needs to do is fire a great many of their executives. Idiotic exaggerations are not acceptable. Out right lying is not acceptable. Attacking the other guys product seems childish and desperate. They need to be likable, and more importantly they need to respect consumers, and relate to consumers.

This is the second thing that is wrong. Sony has suffered a serious disconnect with their customers. Somewhere along the line during the past few years. They confused customers with investors. They need to stop doing that, because customers and investors are not the same thing. You treat them differently don't sell them on an investment sell them on what the product does for them now. Business jargon is lost on gamers.

Develop a game plan for games. You need quality, volume, and variety. Your better off producing ten fun low quality games of different genres rather then two or three games of high standards that might not appeal to a majority of consumers. Sponsor small developers that will produce fun games in a short period of time. That is how you satisfy volume, and variety. Then you can begin to work in some quality. Give the public enough games to satisfy themselves. Sony desperately needs to adopt this philosophy. Quicker, cheaper, and more volume. That gives you more chances to hit the mark. Then rolling the dice on a mere handful of titles. That is the third problem. Sony needs to bulk up overall rather then try to work with silver bullets.

The fourth problem is value they need to increase the value of the hardware. Give the consumer more for their money, and more specifically give them things they can use and will enhance their gaming experience. Sony has focused on to many functionalities that do not integrate with gaming. Happy customers sell others on your product. Giving away free games, music, and even movies to your current customers will make them more happy. Keep them engaged with your product. Reward loyalty and that pays dividends down the line.

These are all reasonable things that Sony could do, and would greatly improve their situation. They do need to fire some upper management. They need a better public face. They need to develop a better game implementation philosophy. The philosophy I outlined is similar to the philosophy that NASA has used for its robotic exploration, and what a bonanza that was. They need to improve their customer service, and more specifically treasure their customers. That should always be the main focus of any business. Take care of what you got. You know what also always looks good to consumers. When you take the time to go the extra mile. Milking consumers and rewarding consumers are different things.

Like I have said many times I have little faith that Sony could or would do any of these things. They are slow to adapt, and they lack the innovative thinking to do these things. They are stagnant as it were. They will keep the bad executives around even though they do no good. They will try to play Microsofts game when it comes to game procurement. They will not give enhancements that they could charge for. They most certainly will not abandon their bad marketing. They most definitely will continue to not relate to consumers.

Yes its possible, but Sony has to be committed to tough self evaluation, and more importantly a willingness to abandon the bad philosophy they have followed up until this point.








 Thank you. This is sooooo accurate. Folks need to realize Sony has shown one thing they are consistent at - orphaning their products. I bought a PS2 - and got the HDD too. Why? There were tons of games that would support it. Guess what? Only FFIX and Socom supported it. That's it. Fortunately, I got the HDD cheap, but I feels for the clowns who paid $100 for it ... for what? I ended up using the drive in other capacities - and not in my PS2. After getting burned like that, I did some research ... and looked at other technologies that Sony flat out abandoned. Linux on PS2, the UMD, BetaMax, the minidisc ... their MP3 player line ... and now, the PS3.

Are there any business majors in the house? How does having what 4 different SKUs in less than a year sound? And I am not talking about small items ... I am talking $500 plus units! So what the 360 has the red lights and inferior graphics ... it went nearly 2 years before a price cut. Now? Sony's 4th sku, stripped of everything to make it compete and yet keeping the albatross known as the Blu Ray player in it. Instead of offering a gimped player, why not offer a player WITHOUT Blu Ray? But, of course, in the end, Sony runs the classic playbook ... and everyone without rose-colored glasses see the truth. Daily, Sony's missteps make me think the PS1 and PS2's success wasn't in the least bit calculated, but stumbled upon.

Kudos to Sony for making a new machine that is sooooooo far off base it shouldn't even be called a Playstation - since most PS systems (PSP excluded) can play older titles.

I knew when I saw that creepy PS3 commercial with the baby we were in for a very bumpy ride ... 



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If it wins it will be because of games not hdtv Br or what ever, those will help but wont be the deciding factor. Ps3 has the games people want, just look at the xbots with mgs might come or FF maybe its possible stuff.




CrazzyMan said:
Does it matter?

Till you get your most anticipated games?
i mean, by the end of 2008 there will be over 20 must play and must have games for me on ps3. it`s like around 1000$ and over 1000hours of gameplay.

If you people think, developers will stop making exlusives for ps3 or the game graphics will be only worse compared to x360, then you are really stupid.
PS3 FTW. It has everything, what is needed to be a winner.

But most important for me, in 2008 ps3 will have so many games which i wanna to play so much.

p.s. as xbox also was getting ps2 games, so and ps3 will get a lot of multiplatform games. But ps3 being more superrior to x360 (hdd, blu-ray, cell, free online) will get also a lot of exclusive 3rd party games like Heavy Rain or Rockstar Project. =)

 The problem with that theory is that developers dont care if the system is superior, they care if their games are going to sell. Last generation the GC and XBOX were more powerful than the PS2 but neither of them got a heavy load of 3rd party games.

Also while there may be 20 must play games for you there certainly wont be for me. LBP, GT5 and WKS are the only three that really interest me personally, not enough for me to buy the console. By looking at the sales of the PS3 I'm guessing others feel the same. 



I could care less about the PS3 winning - but I think it still has a chance to do very well.



URNotE said:
scotland yard said:
S-L-I-P said:

Has anyone realized sony's market share is going up instead of down? If it was a flop, if the winner was already declared, the market share it holds would plummet. This is not the case, they have about a 15 percent chance with the right strategies, and logic to make a come back. It seems they are moving in the right step with their new advertisement campaign.

 

 


Percentage of marketshare rising is not an accurate synopsis of what's really happening with PS3 sales. They are being outsold at least 2 to 1 every week against the 360 and the Wii is trumping even that. Market share will continue to rise because that's how percentages work, but the actual gap between the consoles is continuing to widen each month.

you make it seem like the 360 has been outselling the ps3 2 to 1 for years now... its only been doing it for 3 to 4 weeks now.. which is not good but dont make it seem like its been like that since forever...

 


Er... it has been outselling the PS3 2 to 1 for a year now. Here's the NPD data all the way back to November of last year.

 

AUGUST NPD:
Microsoft Xbox 360: 276.7K
Sony PlayStation 3: 130.6K

JULY NPD:
Microsoft Xbox 360: 170K
Sony PlayStation 3: 159K

JUNE NPD:
Microsoft Xbox 360: 198.4K
Sony PlayStation 3: 98.5K

MAY NPD:

Microsoft Xbox 360: 155K
Sony PlayStation 3: 81K

APRIL NPD:
Microsoft Xbox 360: 174K
Sony PlayStation 3: 82K

MARCH NPD:
Microsoft Xbox 360: 199K
Sony PlayStation 3: 130K

FEBRUARY NPD:
Microsoft Xbox 360: 228K
Sony PS3: 127K

JANUARY NPD:
Microsoft Xbox 360: 294K units
Sony PlayStation 3: 244K units

DECEMBER 06 NPD:
Xbox 360: 1.1 million
PS3: 490.7k

NOVEMBER 06 NPD:
Xbox 360: 511k
PS3: 197k


XBOX 360 TOTAL NPD: 3,306,100
PS3 TOTAL NPD: 1,739,200



@scotland yard, that is only America's. If take WW, 360 has not always been outselling PS3. They kinda flipflop back and forth. However, if you look at the WW chart in console comparison's, it is and has always been about even on average. Niether is really gaining or losing. Wii is the only one pulling ahead.