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I know that for some morality is merely a luxury item that can be discarded when it is inconvenient. Doing the right thing is its own reward is not just a silly cliche. Doing the right thing maintains ones own self respect, and keeps them on the just path. Fail to live up to that which you hold sacrosanct and you are truly lost.

America must own up to its failures. Otherwise it and its people will become lost. The path to hell is easily found by those that avert their eyes. In a sense a nation stands or falls on its values, and what those represents. No doing the right thing is the right thing to do. How can you prove the justness of your cause if your will to behave unjustly all in the name of convenience.

Want to see what happens when justice is sacrificed in the name of convenience. Just read your history it is full of nations and empires that were all too willing to cast aside their ideals, because it was so convenient to do so. Ideals are the foundation deny them, and they will crumble at your feet.



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exactly. I am very worried that moral accountability is a fictional construct even in the "greatest" of democracies.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

i dunno... i disagree



TheRealMafoo said:

The best thing to do, is nothing at this point. It was 7 years ago, and nothing can be done about it today.

"Your honor, I killed this man 7 years ago. There's nothing that can be done about it. So the best thing to do is nothing at this point".

Woohoo, anyone can get away with murder... or anything really. Just make sure you don't get caught for 7 years.

 



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The underlying reason is simple, if dishonest. If Bush is found to have to have done the wrong thing it would be the biggest blow the republican party have ever received.

Mind you as per your second outcome, Bush already did a lot of shit that made half the world hate you (read: war). If he is brought to justice half the world will love you again.

However, Obama does not have my support for this investigation.



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NJ5 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

The best thing to do, is nothing at this point. It was 7 years ago, and nothing can be done about it today.

"Your honor, I killed this man 7 years ago. There's nothing that can be done about it. So the best thing to do is nothing at this point".

Woohoo, anyone can get away with murder... or anything really. Just make sure you don't get caught for 7 years.

 

What is the man talking is in jail for life, and he did this in a state with no death penalty?

The people in power when this happened, are no longer in power. What's this going to change?

I would agree 100% that something should be done if Bush was still president. It's not like your going to arrest him over it. All your going to do is say "yep, he did another bad thing", and vilify us throughout the world again. That could cost lives.

What's more moral?



I believe it's more moral to discourage people from doing similar things in the future. That's one of the reasons why the judicial system was invented.



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I don't think it will change anything. Does anyone remember Clinton? In 1999...Clinton ordered the bombing of Kosovo...to "stop genocide"...but they ended up bombing more houses, hospitals, factories and other economic structures than actual military targets. They destroyed the bridge over Danube which stopped supplies being delivered. There was another bridge which was a target...but the only reason they didn't bomb it is because there were countless civilians standing on it...and if it had been bombed, it would have been seen as a Crime against humanity. Fast forward to Bush Era...didn't a similar thing happen somewhere in the Middle East..."military" bombing that killed more civilians than military personel. These are Presidents we are talking about...they have more power than you can imagine.

Sure...Obama can say Bush was wrong after the investigation....but what is stopping the next President saying "No sorry...Obama was actually the wrong one" Nothing.



Also, even if it's found true that Bush did this, it's not against the law. All he would have done in effect is say "I don't care how the leaders we work with in other countries act".

While a shitty thing to think, it's nothing new for a world leader.



Sounds like he wants to put up a smokescreen.

My guess... he doesn't expect the economy to recover within his term. That and Pakistan being tough, Afghanistan being tough and Iraq being worse then when bush left office....

Got to deflect somehow.

Either way, stupid thing or not politically, i'm for it.