Couldn't resist making yourself look biased again? I thought you were leaving this thread...we were actually starting to have a decent, realistic, non partisan conversation after you left. Please go away for good this time.

@Taz

GT5:P may have had sold good on the PSN, but we'll never know since neither Sony nor PD have released those sales figures, so we have to stick to disc format, and in that format GT5:P hasn't outsold Forza 2. Also both games were heavily bunded. Forza 2 was more heavily bundled in America, even though I got my X360 with a Viva Piñata/Forza 2 bundle, and GT was more bundled here in Europe.

That's a normal market move, since that's where the strongest market for both games is, nothing wrong about that.

Taking in account past history of GT sales, we could say that GT is the strongest competitor for the most sales, but as ironman said it, demographics have changed in the past 4 years. It can do worse or it can do better, but i also think that GT5:P is a good indicative of what GT5 can do, sales wise.

But should that really matter to any of us? Really, I just want both games to be good, in the end, that's all that is supposed to matter for us gamers.

You say Realistic, then you tell me a Le Mans car handles like an F1 car and that F3 can outsell GT5. Hypocritical.
And go ahead 'Saint.' Point out where I was a fanboy, biased or inaccurate in that post. Facts sem to hurt you lol. You act like you are some mighty anti-Fanboy warrior to get away from the fact that you have repeatedly praised Forza, bashed GT and been inaccurate through this thread.
If Im being a Fanboy, I would be banned. Thank god the mods still seem to be sane

And by your logic Seece has been incredibly biased in this thread, yet you aint moaned at him.

PD released the sales figures many months ago.

It was around 3.65m shipped including PSN downloads, and the figure was from few months ago.

Yes, Seece is heavily biased. Though he doesn't come up with fake numbers to prove that Prologue was outsold by Forza 2.

I will say this. How many people owned the PS2? A lot more than the PS3,right? So therefor there is no logical reason why Forza cannot outsell Gran Turismo

@kanyariya

Do you have a link to that article?

^oh yes there is. It's called Japan. Even if GT5 were the lowest selling of them all, and Forza 3 was the best selling of all Forza games, GT5 will outsell it just with the help from Japan.

@Taz

Actually, the Group C Race Cars in the old Le Mans series, the Nissan 92RC, Nissan 89C, Peaugeot 905, Mazda 787-B, Toyota Minolta 88 V14 C, Mercedes Sauber C and Jaguar XJR-9, which was the class before the introduction of the new Prototype series, could handle and accelerate just as well as an actual F1.
Those cars had more than 900 BHP and weighed about 650-750 Kg, which is just over 100 Kg of a F1 car, plus they had lateral turning boost (those small bursts of flame you would see in the sides of the car when they were turning), a huge turbobooster that had 3X more binary power over a V8 engine of a F1 car, and had massive aerodynamical suport on the rear wings, which made them handle just like a F1 had, and if you would have pitted them in Le mans, the top speed of a group C race car, which was around 250 mph (that's over 400 kmh) would give it the final edge over an F1 race car.

Actually, FIA had to gimp the entire Group C race car because it's popularity was beginning to compete with the F1 popularity, so they reduced their power which in turn lead to poorer Endurance perfomances. That made the major groups behind the Group C, like Mercedes and Peaugeot to concentrate on other racing endeavours. The Group C fell quickly out of popularity, and the last Group C race was the 1994 24H le mans, giving rise to a new C group, the open top prototype C2 group, which is the class used today.

I hope this history lesson in Le Mans and Group C entertains you racing fans xD

Chew on this.

http://www.zimbio.com/Gran+Turismo+5/articles/254/GT5+Prologue+Races+Way+Sweet+Sales+Record


Note that those numbers DO NOT include PSN sales.