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CMcCarthy16193 on 11 July 2009
sguy78 said:
CMcCarthy16193 said:
I am not saying I agree , but I want to say where atheists are coming from on this argument. Christianity says that if you do not believe in God that " They are corrupt , their deeds are vile ; there is no one that does good " , and that we will rot in hell for not agreeing with them . This is why they get offended.

Who specifically says that?

The Bible

" The fool says in his heart , "There is no God"

   They are corrupt , their deeds are vile ; 

   there is no one who does good"

   - psalms 14:1

 

" But the fearful , and unbelieving , and the abominable , and murderes, and whoremongers, and sorcers, and idolaters, and all lairs , shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death "

Rev 21:8



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marciosmg on 11 July 2009

Please don't turn this thread into a religious debate. I created this topic to discuss this specific thing that FIFA is doing.

This isnt about a religion, so much as the right people have to display their faith.



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elprincipe on 11 July 2009

Personally I think it's stupid that you get a yellow for taking your shirt off in celebration. There is no need for that rule, it just screws up a beautiful part of a beautiful game (to see the joy and spontaneity displayed by a player who has just scored an important goal). So you probably have guessed at this point that I think banning someone from having "I Love Jesus" or whatever on their undershirt is also stupid.



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outlawauron on 12 July 2009
tombi123 said:
Well if your not allowed political T-shirts you shouldn't be allowed religious ones either.

Why exactly? Their shirts didn't say "You're going to burn in hell" or anything like that. I honestly, do not know who could be offended by this.



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highwaystar101 on 12 July 2009

When I become a professional football player I'm going to show off my atheism.

Seriously though. Football is a secular event, it has never held a religious message in the past and I don't know why it should happen now. It's acceptable if someone wants to perform their own private ritual after scoring a goal such as offering a prayer as that is more down to personal preference. For example when Frank Lampard pointed to heaven when he scored just after his mother died.

But allowing the whole team to offer up prayers and wear Jesus T-shirts is rather silly because that has crossed the boundary of personal preference by a long way. That's in the realms of preaching and converting, which should not be allowed in secular games. let them do that on their own time if they want.

It doesn't happen with anything else such as politics in football so why this?



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FootballFan on 12 July 2009

I think if i became a professional footballer and after i scored showed off a t-shirt saying "There is no god" There would be uproar. Why would i not be able to express my religious beliefs and yet they can?



outlawauron on 12 July 2009
highwaystar101 said:

When I become a professional football player I'm going to show off my atheism.

Seriously though. Football is a secular event, it has never held a religious message in the past and I don't know why it should happen now. It's acceptable if someone wants to perform their own private ritual after scoring a goal such as offering a prayer as that is more down to personal preference. For example when Frank Lampard pointed to heaven when he scored just after his mother died.

But allowing the whole team to offer up prayers and wear Jesus T-shirts is rather silly because that has crossed the boundary of personal preference by a long way. That's in the realms of preaching and converting, which should not be allowed in secular games. let them do that on their own time if they want.

It doesn't happen with anything else such as politics in football so why this?

They aren't trying to convert anyone. They're just wearing a t-shirt. I'm sure if someone put some type of atheist themed shirt. (maybe the Darwinian fish, I dunno, it'd be perfectly fine)



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highwaystar101 on 12 July 2009
outlawauron said:
highwaystar101 said:

When I become a professional football player I'm going to show off my atheism.

Seriously though. Football is a secular event, it has never held a religious message in the past and I don't know why it should happen now. It's acceptable if someone wants to perform their own private ritual after scoring a goal such as offering a prayer as that is more down to personal preference. For example when Frank Lampard pointed to heaven when he scored just after his mother died.

But allowing the whole team to offer up prayers and wear Jesus T-shirts is rather silly because that has crossed the boundary of personal preference by a long way. That's in the realms of preaching and converting, which should not be allowed in secular games. let them do that on their own time if they want.

It doesn't happen with anything else such as politics in football so why this?

They aren't trying to convert anyone. They're just wearing a t-shirt. I'm sure if someone put some type of atheist themed shirt. (maybe the Darwinian fish, I dunno, it'd be perfectly fine)

High profile people using their high profile position to appear en masse preying in front of thousands of people live and probably televised live to tens of millions of people is pretty much my definition of converting and preaching in a glamourising manner.

It's exactly what scientologists do to convert people, they parade Tom Cruise, Nancy Cartwrtight and John Travolta in the public eye to get people to convert. Same thing.

It's never been allowed for anything else in football because it is a neutral sport, so why this?

 

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Also, I would have a problem with someone wearing an atheist T-Shirt based on the same principles, so I would have a problem with the darwinian fish.



WessleWoggle on 12 July 2009

Would you people want them wearing shirts that said 'Hail Satan 666'?

Jesus is offensive to some people too...



tombi123 on 12 July 2009
outlawauron said:
tombi123 said:
Well if your not allowed political T-shirts you shouldn't be allowed religious ones either.

Why exactly? Their shirts didn't say "You're going to burn in hell" or anything like that. I honestly, do not know who could be offended by this.


I don't know why they ban political t-shirts, but it is probably because they don't want to cause controversy. If you had an away match against Iran, it wouldn't be a good idea for FIFA to allow players to wear t-shirts saying 'I belong to Jesus'.