Its funny how PC is included in definition of 'Multiplatform', but excluded in 'Exclusive'. And how a game that is CONSOLE/PC is Cross-Platform, but not Multiplatform, when in fact Cross-Platform is a synonym of Multiplatform. Strange indeed!
Cognitive dissonance much?
| MAFKKA said: Its funny how PC is included in definition of 'Multiplatform', but excluded in 'Exclusive'. And how a game that is CONSOLE/PC is Cross-Platform, but not Multiplatform, when in fact Cross-Platform is a synonym of Multiplatform. Strange indeed! Cognitive dissonance much? |
hmm
maybe its just me but ive always considered the PC to be its own platfrom separate from consoles... much like handhelds to home consoles.
I mean home PC is where i play my all my stratagy games and well a few others. its not so much cognitive dissonance but trained separartion. since an early age pc gaming has never been equivalent of console gaming. therefore at least in my mind they are not the same. I do not consider PC to be crossplatform or multiplatform with any console games
for me cross/multi means linux/windows/mac ect. for PC
where cross/multi means ps3/xbox/wii home consoles
ds/psp on portables
cellphone/smartphone (though smartphones are quickly growing into the protables and i dont know how to feel about that.... for now they are different)
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Selective perception much? Might fit better.
You said it yourself; "Pc to be its own platform". And "linux/windows/mac etc. for PC" how can that be for PC? What about Mac?
"In computing, cross-platform (also known as multi-platform) is a term used to refer to computer software or computing methods and concepts that are implemented and inter-operate on multiple computer platforms" ... i.e on cross-platfoms such as the relation of PC and MAC and Game consoles, cross-platforms.
Hers some backup to that statement.. "If a software program is developed for mulitple operating systems, it is considered to be "multiplatform." Since Microsoft Word runs on both the Windows and Macintosh platform, it is a mutliplatform application."
"In the consumer gaming market, mutliplatform games run on more than one gaming machine. For example, a sports game developed for Xbox, Playstation, GameCube, and PC would be a multiplatform game. If a game is developed exclusively for one system, i.e. "The Legend of Zelda," for Nintendo, it is not multiplatform. Gaming hardware manufacturers use exclusive software as a reason for consumers to buy their system." - TechTerms
And how would hardware manufacturers use exclusive software as a reason for consumers to buy their system? They release it exclusivly on their hardware. But if that software is available elsewhere, dosent that contradict the purpose of exclusive software? Yes it does.
I dont have the energy to go check.. you tell me.
@ I'm not sure....Never mind.....Anyway..So what's going on? Did you see the KUF2 thread..I'm so exited! You should check it out...
Fighting games is not my cup of tea. Thanks for the invite, but no thanks. Im heading off to eat some cupcakes. Ill be back later.
EDIT.. oops. Thought you ment King of Fighters first. But you obviously ment Kingdom under Fire2. And yeah! That game does look awesome!
@Zizzla
Yeah i might. Not a big fan of strategy/rts/rpgs either, but KUF2 really made me curious. Along with Fable 2, FF13, Tales of Vesperia and Valkyria Chronicles. I might actually have to start buying some of these.
dcIKeeL said:
The same can be said about stating that certain games aren't exclusive because they are on the pc. The fact of the matter is that the PC is not a console and does not compete with consoles. So a game being console exclusive is much more relevant than a game which isnt exclusive simply because it's on the PC. The pc also does not affect sales of 360 games or deter from the advantage 360 attains from having good IPs that the other two consoles don't. Afterall, 360 exclusives (or 'microsoft exclusives') sell extremely well on the 360. Therefore, why make such a fuss about a game being being on the pc? Honestly, a game being exclusive to 1 console and a handheld is more important than a console exclusive being on pc, and even then a handheld/1 console exclusive is still irrelevant. The stupid "it's not exclusive to 360" statement is a misunderstanding of how gaming universe function at best and trolling at worst. |
The only real difference between PC and Consoles are that a PC is an open-platform, while a console is closed. And PC games DO affect other platforms sales, hell even a Microsoft boss admitted that by saying that if they had released Halo on Xbox and PC at the same time, it would take sales from the Xbox and "in Germany 80% of sales would be on PC, and only 20% on Xbox".
If PC really did affect console sales you wouldn't see some companies only release the PC version of some games after the Console versions, because they believe the PC version would a affect the console versions sales.
| dcIKeeL said: The only reason alot of 360 exclusives are on the PC is because MS allows it. They allow it because they make even more money and are even planning deeper intergration with PC. Some of things on 360 now or that will be will on the 360 will also be on the PC not as standalone but as an extension of the 360 and alot more games being cross platform. The strategy with the timed exclusives is blunting the effect of these great IPs. Take Bioschock for instance. This game sold about 2 million+ on the 360 but on the PS3 I don't think it ever got past 500k. |
What the hell are you talking about? Microsoft has only ported 2 X360 games to PC this gen, and those came on PC many months after the X360 versions as to not affect the console sales.
Other than Viva Pinata and Gears of War, Microsoft has not gotten a single dollar from any other PC game. Microsoft does not get money from PC games unless it's their own games.
| dcIKeeL said: I can't believe someone will make themselves sound so foolish to make their favorite company look good. Yes! There about 20x more PC owners than console owners period. However, there are much fewer who own a PC that is a suitable gaming machine. Most people don't have the knowledge to upgrade their pc to make it a gaming pc and/or don't want to bother constantly throwing money at it to play the latest games. You'd have to be a pretty hardcore gamer to prefer to upgrade your pc over buying a console. The fact is most gamers are mainstream and even more so, casual gamers and these people don't care enough about games to see the PC as an option. I don't know the exact statistic but probably about 99% of PC owners do not own their pc to use it as a gaming machine. Remember the PC is not primarily a gaming machine, gaming is just one of the many things it can do. The PC does not compete with consoles. Of course you know this but act ignorant to make an invalid point. |
Dude, PC has over 300 millions gamers, more than the entire console gamers.
Nowadays upgrades aren't even necessary anymore. You can buy a good gaming PC and it will last you more than an entire console generation. The rise of indie gaming, more focus on lower budget PCs and cheaper tech are driving PC into everyone's minds.
| dcIKeeL said: God you dissappoint. There are too many of you unreasonable fanboys on this thread. See how you spew your sarcasm and even condescending tone. No, you aren't from another planet you are just the minority. What is wrong with you. All PC gamers are very hardcore gamers and alot of them are also very niche gamers. Those 13 million WoW players are over time not all at once, not everyone constantly keeps renewing accounts. These gamers are also a group set apart from the console users. I mean most console users take into account things like subscription fees. Take the Live and PSN issue for instance. Constantly used on here as an argument and considered by all console gamers when making decisions. Alot of them have a problem with it some don't. However, those PC gamers not only waste money upgrading but they also waste money on subscription fees for their MMOs that are usually more than twice that of the Live subscription fee. Do you see how PC gamers are a different animal than console gamers. Most people don't hold gaming in high enough regard to pay and devote so much time on their games and the machines they play them on. Consoles don't compete with the PC. |
PC is NOT the minority, Consoles are.
And stop lieing, there are currently 12 millions WoW players today! That's 12 millions people that pay every month. Yes, many people have quit WoW, but for 1 that leaves, 2 others join WoW (not literally, but you get my point).
And WoW is probably like, only half the population of MMO subscribers. Hell, and we're not even counting the F2P MMO players.
Anyone that thinks subscriptions are a waste clearly doesn't see the advantage of it. MMOs usually have an infinitely higher amount of content than the average game, and are also much more polished since they are often updated. The best part is the social part of MMOs, which is far bigger than just shouting insults at another shooter gamer.
| dcIKeeL said: If games that are also on the pc were truly that important why do 360 'exclusives' sell so well in spite of the fact? Why would MS allow for this if it hurt their other product? Why do you bring that silly kool aid in here about everybody owning a pc? AND? 9 out of 10 of those PCs cannot adequately game. Also how is gaming on a pc cheaper and more convinient than gaming on a console? Please don't say the games are cheaper because when on the pc that's the least of your worries. Most people don't have the knowledge to upgrade their PC adequately to make it a gaming pc neither are they hardcore enough to want to do it. You have to throw some money to upgrade it and then do it again at least 1.5x a year. Most people don't know how to do this. Also even the cheapest DIY gaming PCs cutting 1000 corners aren't cheaper than a console and specifically a 360. To game a consoles you don't have to know squat about computers, all you have to know is how to plug in cables. How PC gaming is more convinient escapes me... ps. PCs are machines that CAN play games. It doesn't mean that they neccesarily do. The fact of the matter is that PC's primary function is not gaming. Hence, they don't compete with consoles. |
PC gaming is cheaper because PC games are far cheaper than console games. In my country Xbox360/PS3 games are 70 euros, while PC games are 50 or even 40. Hell, the average PC game sold in US retail in only $25 (and that's counting game bundles as only 1 game), less than half of a full-priced console game.
PC gaming is more convenient than ever. And PCs do compete with consoles.
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