sguy78 Sure I'm attacking just like the people did earlier in this tread even though they didn't say anything negative towards you. This tread was going nowhere fast a long time before I put in my 2cents.

Questioning someone's intelligence, and calling them an asshole would be considered an attack chief.

chapset said: Kasz216 said: chapset said: you know why it's that way? It's because there's a shit load of money to be made with new medicine Yeah.  Kinda my point. If there isn't a shit load of money to be made... and that money goes away... it doesn't get replaced. A LARGE chunk of the worlds medical funding suddenly goes down the drain. Wouldn't this negativly effect future discoveries drastically and in turn negativly effect future healthcare? About (+-)50% of research funding comes from big pharmaceutical compagnies and they tend to be more competive then cooperative some if compagnie A discover cure for aids they won't give the info to compagnie B so compagnie B will still spend money to cure aids, what I want to say with that is a lot of that 67$ goes to waste so more money doesn't mean more cures but , yes there's a but, more money doesn't hurt either that's why the Us is the leading country in new cures Revenue Rank 2008[citation needed]   Company   Country   Total Revenues (USD millions)   Healthcare R&D 2008 (USD millions)   Net income/ (loss) 2008 (USD millions)   Employees 2008   1 Pfizer (with Wyeth) U.S. 70,818 NA 12,760 137,127 2 Johnson & Johnson U.S. 61,095 NA 10,576 119,200 3 GlaxoSmithKline United Kingdom 45,447 6,373 10,432 103,483 4 Hoffmann–La Roche Switzerland 40,315 NA 8,135 78,604 5 Sanofi-Aventis France 39,997 NA 7,204 99,495 6 Novartis Switzerland 39,800 NA 11,946 98,200 7 AstraZeneca UK/Sweden 29,559 NA 5,959 67,400 8 Abbott Laboratories U.S. 25,914 NA 3,606 68,697 9 Merck & Co. U.S. (2008) 23,850 4,678 7,808 74,372 10 Bristol-Myers Squibb U.S. 19,977 NA 2,165 42,000 11 Eli Lilly and Company U.S. 18,634 NA9 2,953 40,600 12 Amgen U.S. 14,268 3,366 2,950 48,000 13 Boehringer Ingelheim Germany 13,284 1,977 2,163 43,000 14 Baxter International U.S. 10,378 614 1,397 38,428 15 Takeda Pharmaceutical Co. Japan 10,284 1,620 2,870 15,000 16 Genentech U.S. 9,284 1,773 2,113 33,500 17 Procter & Gamble U.S. 8,964 n/a 10,340 29,258 18 Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Israel 8,408 495 546 26,670 19 Astellas Pharma Japan 7,850 1,435 1,122 23,613 20 Daiichi Sankyo Japan 7,158 1,459 671 20,100 21 Novo Nordisk Denmark 6,520 1,063 1,086 15,358 22 Eisai Japan 5,583 926 604 14,993 23 Merck KGaA Germany 5,175 772 1,258 13,900 24 Alcon U.S. 4,897 512 1,348 13,500 25 SINOPHARM China 4,700  ??? ??? ??? 26 Akzo Nobel Netherlands 4,694 741 1,449 13,000 27 UCB Belgium 4,426 1,024 492 12,741 28 Nycomed Switzerland 4,264 n/a -105 10,533 29 Forest Laboratories U.S. 3,442 941 454 9,649 30 Solvay Belgium 3,268 533 1,026 9,000 32 Allergan U.S. 3,063 1,056 -127 8,423 33 Gilead Sciences U.S. 3,026 384 -1,190 6,772 34 CSL Australia 2,788 161 454 6,400 35 Chugai Pharmaceutical Co. Japan 2,787 467 328 5,962 36 Biogen Idec U.S. 2,683 718 218 5,907 37 Bausch & Lomb U.S. 2,292 197 15 5,830 38 Taiho Pharmaceutical Co. Japan 2,069 244 132 5,756 39 King Pharmaceuticals U.S. 1,989 254 289 5,191 40 Watson Pharmaceuticals U.S. 1,979 131 -445 5,126 41 Mitsubishi Pharma Japan 1,945 403 208 5,111 42 Shire UK 1,797 387 278 4,958 43 Cephalon U.S. 1,764 403 145 4,913 44 Dainippon Sumitomo Pharma Japan 1,763 350 193 3,750 45 Kyowa Hakko Kogyo Japan 1,698 268 108 2,895 46 Shionogi Japan 1,640 320 159 2,868 47 Mylan Laboratories U.S. 1,612 104 217 2,800 48 H. Lundbeck Denmark 1,552 329 186 2,515

1) Ever hear the saying "Competiton is the mother of inovation."  Competion drives innovation and ideas and in general thinking.  Companies are more willing to fund "outside the box" thinking because who knows it may lead to their new billion dollar industry.

Besides don't sceintists compete in other countries?  Don't multiple genetiscists go up for the same grants in how to cure soemthing?  Instead of a few people getting grants... it's like every scientsit gets a grant and who knows which one will be the one to crack the code or be able to understand what's wrong... etc.

2) The best doctors and researchers are not always the people who love what they do.  Often times people HATE their job but they do it for the big payoffs.

So... the point still stands.  Less money, and also do to less profit, less intellegent people wanting to be researchers etc.

Typical Sguy post in this thread:

"OMG, STOP ATTACKING ME YOU STUPID LIBERAL!" I swear, even the slightest thing...

Anywho, 2-4 quotes doesn't have me entirely convinced. A multitude of gaffes that no sane person would make? Something on the scale of McCain's "Ahmadinejad" slip-up? Until then, he's just another politician who has said some stupid things.

Again, just keep putting words in my mouth pal. You just can't keep it on the topic. Show me where I said your quote of me. You can't because you made it up to fit with what you are saying.

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And what is that supposed to mean?

Oh please, you're a complete hypocrite. If that's how you're going to act the whole time you're on this site, I don't see you making it past a couple hundred posts. It's not a direct quote (and anyone could have figured that out), but it summarizes most of your posts in this thread. Pretend like people are attacking you (even if they aren't), and then immediately label them a liberal just for disagreeing with you. I am tempted to say "typical conservative tactic," but that's insulting to conservatives.

Quote me specifically. If I make a comment on a specific topic, and you say that I have no idea what I am talking about, you are not keeping it on topic. That is changing the subject, and attacking the other person. An example would be saying, "Oh please, you're a complete hypocrite". It is not a summary of anything I have said, and you know it. That is a typical liberal tactic.

God I hate politics threads. Didn't someone make a politics forum somewhere else? There are 5 reports in the mod job queue and four of them are from this annoying thread.