kasz216, no doubt the game would of sold tremendously for only $10 but it wouldnt of sold as well as it has...

Am I too late to join the argument here?

The nonsense that certain games should be counted while other should not is pathetic. Frankly pathetic.

I'm GLAD ioi includes pack-ins from all the game companies past and present because a sale is sale is a damn sale. Even Super Mario Bros. 3 was a pack-in for some of its life. So was Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. All companies sweeten the deal by making convenient bundles to move more hardware or more software or both. That's just how business is done.

What are we supposed to sift through what part of sales were separate and what were included from all game systems in history? It's assinine.

First of all there's no telling the motivation for any of those purchases. Did someone see Wii Play and think cool I can get me another controller or did they say hey I like this new game. Which is selling which? Or are both washing each other's hands. Are both the game AND the controller selling the system simultaneously? Those who think it's all about the controller must have not seen people actually have fun with the title. It could be that the controller was the bonus and the game itself was the selling point rather the other way around. LOVE that pool simulator! When I took this to my cousins' house that's all they played was back to back games on Wii Play. Who's selling who here REALLY?

What about the new Slim PSP bundles? Should Crisis Core: FFVII not count because it's a bundle too? It was that bundle and others that helped PSP shock the charts here lately all around the world upending the dominant DS and friend. What about the PSP Slim Daxter bundle? What about the PSP Slim Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron bundle? What about the Family Guy UMD sales that come with it? Should those be stricken off of the record books as well simply because it was bundled?

Every system in history from Sega Genesis to XBox 360 should their bundles and special deals not be counted as well? Should we not count the hardware if bundled with a prize piece of software? What if Microsoft includes the blockbuster Halo 3 in a bundle to boost hardware sales? Should all XBox 360s counted under that combination be stricken from the record books? You're just buying a XBox 360 so you can play Halo 3, after all. You're just buying Wii Play to get an extra controller, after all. Right?

It's bull. The protests are coming from people who do not like this Wiivolution and its effects on the charts. To see the Wii series consistently linger on the chart from week to week irks them because it signals a changing of the guard in this industry. These are people who in their heart of hearts want Nintendo to fail and have wanted Nintendo to fail since generations past. The "why don't they go 3rd party?" contingent.

They can try to manipulate the world all they want but the fact remains Wii Sports is a system seller, Wii Play is a system seller. People actually like the games for what they are REGARDLESS of the bundling. Wii Fit will surpass BOTH of them as system sellers COMBINED and REALLY cause some contention on this board for all of next year as it becomes clearer and clearer that Nintendo is transforming the industry before our very eyes. Moderators get ready 'cause you're gonna be busy pretty soon after Wii Fit hits.

A game sale is a game sale is a daggone game sale. And all should be counted no matter what system or bundle they come from.

Hopefully one day VGChartz will ascertain downloadable sales as well so we can understand that side of the market too.

John Lucas

Halo 3 is already in a 360 bundle.

Good news, PS3 is selling games....bad news is they cost 3x what it costs to dev for Wii. Wii with its lower attach rate is probably making ok money for the games made......freakkin carnival games sold 100k and has definitly made a nice profit. PS3 games that do 100k.....not so much.

This may lead to an evenflow of more games for the wii cause of the cost to produce games and more PS3/360 games cause of the higher attach rate. Good for all

Well, there you go.

Only further rendering the thread starter's position irrelevant. It doesn't make a difference whether it's bundle or not and I'm glad ioi chooses to post it plain like this.

John Lucas 

Exactly.  Wii Sports should not be counted.  The difference between Wii Sports and Motorstorm is that you can still purchase a brand new PS3 in the US without Motorstorm.  The Wii doesn't give consumers the option of buying a cheaper version of the Wii without Wii Sports, unlike the PS3 and Motorstorm.  Let's say EVERY 360 came with the XBLA game Hexic.  Should that be counted under software sales?  Why not, because it's not on a disc?  So if it was?

Wii Play is software.  NPD considers it to be software, and game companies consider it to be software.  Also, for all the PS3 fans arguing Wii Play should not be included because it's a controller with a $10 game included, isn't Warhawk just a Bluetooth headset with a $x game included?  Why should it be counted?

What 360 bundle includes a copy of Halo 3?? Evidence? Link?

Or did you just make this up?

Motorstorm sales as bundle arent so great .Wii Sports shouldnt be included .If it is we should include as well Gran TUrismo HD that most PS3 usrs download for free.Wii Play is though to say ....if it hadnt the wiimote I doubt it would have sold any big numbers.

In any case the original poster has a point ...the attach rate of the PS3 is considerably better providing it is 2.5 less userbase (2 million against 5 million Wii users) .

Wasn't there "halo 3" 360 with a fancy(ugly) paintjob?  I mean that's what got sent to reveiwers wasn't it?  I've saw advertisements at a few gamestops.  Or did the special Halo 3 360 not come with Halo 3?  If that's the case that's just retarded and really my mistake.

So... Wii sports shouldn't be counted because the motorstorm bundle doesn't sell as well.  Yeah.  Flawless logic there.