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sully1311 on 24 June 2009

well my connection is around 4.3mb, but it kept going as low to 800kbps, averaging around 1500kbps. Its not the specs of my pc ever, i can easily watch full hd movies on it.



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selnor on 24 June 2009
sully1311 said:
well my connection is around 4.3mb, but it kept going as low to 800kbps, averaging around 1500kbps. Its not the specs of my pc ever, i can easily watch full hd movies on it.


Sounds like your IP is not giving you great comeback on your connection speed. I'm with Virgin in UK Optical Broadband. 10mb for £8.99/month. I get 9.6mb on connection tests. On this test of the Peach video it didnt go below 4.93m after the first 20 secs.



Jereel Hunter on 24 June 2009
NKAJ said:
selnor said:
WereKitten said:

selnor said:

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Alot of people have 400+ dvd's and just cant be arsed to rebuy the films all again in Blu Ray. Then after another 5 years buy again on Blu Ray's successor.

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Can't find the logic in this statement when comparing BluRay to streaming.

With both BluRay and streaming you keep your old DVDs, you have to pay if you want one of your movies in a higher quality format. Actually the BluRay player will play your 400 DVDs, your streaming mediabox is not even necessarily equipped with an optical reader.


How can you miss the point. Streaming in 1080p is easily obtainable. Thanks to M$ new technology.

It costs around £1 for me to watch HD 720p films off Live right now. For me to watch 720p Blu Ray film it costs me £17.99 brand new or £5 rental. Now do the math. From here on in on my Xbox 360 I ( and my friend ) can play all your existing DVD's on it and have the choice to play HD movies at a fraction of the cost of even buying a DVD.

You'll be saving yourself literally thousands of GBP by using Streaming services for the rest of your life instead of rebuying collections every new format.

August brings me here in the UK Sky via my 360. With HD 1080p streaming coming to it's the complete package. I will never need to buy another film. I'll save thousands like I said in my lifetime. Thats a new car, or holidays. College for my daughter. £5.99 gets you as many films streamed as you want when you want monthly in America. UK service is now not far away. And 1080p film access as good as what this thread shows is astonishing. And it ran in Dolby Digital 5.1 without a pause. Impressive to say the least.

My point was is Blu Ray will never hit even half DVD marketshare now. People will likely stick with DVD. Those who can afford Blu Ray likely can afford a good internet connection and will be able stream for less than half the price Blu Ray would cost you in your lifetime. Picture quality is now a moot subject. What we all just saw was amazing picture clarity.

once again selnor is determined to prove Microsoft is best

But his point here isn't MS is best, his point is that digital distribution is the future, not Bluray. I don't think anyone disagrees that eventually DD will largely replace physical media, the question is when.. and this new streaming technology moves that day closer.

I think this tech is great, and while there are certain of my favorite movies I will want on Bluray, such as Dark Knight, for movie rentals to be able to stream quality like this is phenomenal. Takes away a reason to drive to blockbuster, or wait for a disc to come in the mail. (Also, as regards rentals, no risk of forgetting to return it and paying late charges)

 



JaggedSac on 24 June 2009

This is great. I know how convenient NetFlix streaming is, this will be a very nice upgrade to the 360.



WereKitten on 24 June 2009
selnor said:

If it's 1/10th of a BluRay, wheres the picture difference? Because Ive watched 4 Blu Raye now and they were no better than this. ( Well to the naked eye anyway. )

You really believe Blu Ray rental will come down? You think Blu Ray will get even half the amount of sales that DVD has gotten over the years? 80% of my friends have no intention to ever buy Blu Ray. They all own DVD players. Cost is the word, and they cannot be arsed to rebuy the same films. Price will always be to high for Blu Ray becasue adoption will be nowhere near DVD. Thats the problem for any new media interface.

Streaming is like owning in a way. You could watch the film here in UK 17 times on streaming ( £17 ) and it would still be less expensive than buying Blu Ray disc. Some Blu Ray films here are £26.99!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My point is more than valid. I brought Rentals in as well as it's important to show how badly the BluRay medium is priced in general. And is exactly why I predict by 2012 that Blu Ray will be a very declining format, that never really took off.

DVD will be the last format to be adopt massively. Whether everyone likes it or not, the same was said of music downloads and streaming. Movies are most definately being adopted at a fast rate the same way. 360 has been playing a big roll in this to.

I think you quoted the wrong post there, and I assume this was addressed to me (the 1/10th number is my hint)

Anyway, I know many people who say that upscaled DVDs are good enough for them, and 4Mb per second is still a good bandwidth in scenes with no fast pans over very finely detailed scenery. I can easily see the difference between upscaled DVDs and BluRays, and I'm sure I'd be disturbed by quantization artifacts in fast scenes in the movies I love if I stuck to low bandwidth HD streaming, but I do agree that for many uses it's just good enough.

Of course BluRay rental will come down in price. As players become cheaper in price more people will buy a BluRay player as a painless update of their DVD player to compliment their new HD tv - on which non-upscaled DVDs won't look that good. You seem to keep glancing on the fact that it will happily play back all their old DVDs.

As for the pricing of BD films, it's not actually that bad, it siimply lacks the budget tier for the time being. A new movie out on DVD is about €19 here, with the extended/special edition at about €22-24 and the BD version (that always mirrors the extended edition when it comes to content) at about €25-27. If you're interested into the extended edition, it's a few bucks well spent.

I'm sure that digital distribution will become increasingly important as time goes by. It's just not nearly good enough right now for me and many like me, whereas BluRay is.



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DirtyP2002 on 24 June 2009

I will try this @ home.

I have a DSL 3000 connection, so it won't work for me?



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

International Douche on 24 June 2009

The demo is CGI...which compresses like crazy. A 1080p CGI clip will have a lower bitrate than a 720p live action film at similar quality levels.



Tallgeese101 on 24 June 2009

Well that was pretty impressive.
Makes OnLives claims awhile back a lot more believable.



WereKitten on 24 June 2009
Tallgeese101 said:
Well that was pretty impressive.
Makes OnLives claims awhile back a lot more believable.

The trouble with OnLive was always more in the roundtrip (ie from client to server and back) latency requirements than in the video bandwidth. And the compression you can achieve on a preexisting movie is always better than one you can achieve on a real-time source. Me, I'm an OnLive doubter to the depth of my black soul.



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"..." - Gordon Freeman

selnor on 24 June 2009
WereKitten said:
selnor said:

If it's 1/10th of a BluRay, wheres the picture difference? Because Ive watched 4 Blu Raye now and they were no better than this. ( Well to the naked eye anyway. )

You really believe Blu Ray rental will come down? You think Blu Ray will get even half the amount of sales that DVD has gotten over the years? 80% of my friends have no intention to ever buy Blu Ray. They all own DVD players. Cost is the word, and they cannot be arsed to rebuy the same films. Price will always be to high for Blu Ray becasue adoption will be nowhere near DVD. Thats the problem for any new media interface.

Streaming is like owning in a way. You could watch the film here in UK 17 times on streaming ( £17 ) and it would still be less expensive than buying Blu Ray disc. Some Blu Ray films here are £26.99!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My point is more than valid. I brought Rentals in as well as it's important to show how badly the BluRay medium is priced in general. And is exactly why I predict by 2012 that Blu Ray will be a very declining format, that never really took off.

DVD will be the last format to be adopt massively. Whether everyone likes it or not, the same was said of music downloads and streaming. Movies are most definately being adopted at a fast rate the same way. 360 has been playing a big roll in this to.

I think you quoted the wrong post there, and I assume this was addressed to me (the 1/10th number is my hint)

Anyway, I know many people who say that upscaled DVDs are good enough for them, and 4Mb per second is still a good bandwidth in scenes with no fast pans over very finely detailed scenery. I can easily see the difference between upscaled DVDs and BluRays, and I'm sure I'd be disturbed by quantization artifacts in fast scenes in the movies I love if I stuck to low bandwidth HD streaming, but I do agree that for many uses it's just good enough.

Of course BluRay rental will come down in price. As players become cheaper in price more people will buy a BluRay player as a painless update of their DVD player to compliment their new HD tv - on which non-upscaled DVDs won't look that good. You seem to keep glancing on the fact that it will happily play back all their old DVDs.

As for the pricing of BD films, it's not actually that bad, it siimply lacks the budget tier for the time being. A new movie out on DVD is about €19 here, with the extended/special edition at about €22-24 and the BD version (that always mirrors the extended edition when it comes to content) at about €25-27. If you're interested into the extended edition, it's a few bucks well spent.

I'm sure that digital distribution will become increasingly important as time goes by. It's just not nearly good enough right now for me and many like me, whereas BluRay is.

Although you say many, I'd say for 80% of people out there DVD is still good enough. And because people aren't adopting it like they did DVD, the price just isn't coming down. By the way your prices are different. New DVD films here come out between £9.99 - £12.99 normally. Blu Ray can be anywhere between £17.99 - £29.99 for a normal film. But the worst part is Hard Rain new on DVD is like £2.99. On Blu Ray it's £21.99. That's a massive issue.

I accept there is people who like the Blu Ray in their hand and love the HD thing. But by the time Live has implemented this, many people wont bother with Blu Ray and the price will not get a chance to hardly drop due to non adoption. Even now the Blu Ray section in HMV is about 10% of the size of DVD section. It's literally one row at my local. And Plymouth is now classed as major city with over 300,000 living here.