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The one thing i see abundantly clear is that full GT games sell double the amount of copies that full Forza games sell



                            

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Dno said:
kn said:
Dno said:
kn said:
Dno said:

Your opinion not mine or many others.... i love both and i own both but your comparing GT5 PRO with a full retail forza 2....

Why dont we all just stop this and when both FULL games drop we can start it up again.... if i see another thread about which is better i will burn it......

Both games are good thats that....

"I realize that GT5:P is just a prologue so it isn't fair to compare all the extra stuff in Forza 2 like purchasing performance parts, painting, auctions, online features, and so on so I'll just leave it at that."

I clearly pointed that out, I thought, and was just speaking of simulation and graphics -- those areas where everyone likes to say one kills the other.  They don't.  Both are spectacular in those regards.

I'm sick of the threads as well, but my point is that most of the threads are from assholes that don't have a clue what they are comparing.

like i said in my first post its your opinion.. i think its a fact that PD used more polygons on GT5 pro cars then forza 2... if you had compared forza 3 then id say you are prolly right but forza 2 looks like crap right now... i own both you can look at my gamer tag for proof.

 

Forza2 single handedly got me into the sim racing genre. its pretty clear that i love sony but i was never a fan of their GT series into forza 2 dropped. AFter playing forza 2 i loked at one trailer of GT5 and i was floored. So i played both JUST as much (mab a litle less) then you have and all i have to say is both are good but after playing GT5 Pro im now HOOKED onthe GT series.. I have not seen forza 3 gamplay yet but if you compare forza 2 and GT5 Pros graphics GT wins by far...

By far?  GT5:5 car models are definitely better but trackside detail is quite poor.  If you look at the reflections from the environment on the hood of the cars in GT5:P, you can see that they are VERY low resolution.  Outside of the car models themselves, there isn't anything special about GT5:P's graphics.

Forza does NOT look like crap.  Are you playing on a high-def TV?  Perhaps there is something I'm missing because the car models are very next-gen in Forza 2 -- very, very far from crap.  As good as GT5:P?  Certainly not but let's be honest here...  It's not like PS2 vs. PS3 graphics, now is it?

i have a 1080p sony XBR 40 inch complete with DTS surrond sound.. my setup is great.

ALL i said is forza 2 a game thats more then 2 years old looks like crap to todays standards... motorstorm, GT5 pro, fuel, dirt, killzone 2 uncharted 2 are all games that prove this.. i dont think you have played forza 2 lately lol..

 

JUST because I say this does NOT mean i dont like it.. i love it but its BUT is has been out done over the years.... now forza 3 looks wonderful and proves that they can get MUCH more out of their engine on the xbox.

Actually, I'm playing both games right now... All the GT5 and Forza 3 hype had me needing a racing fix so I've gone back to playing both.

Again, I think crap is a bad way to describe the Forza 2 car models.  Are they as good as the most recent game releases?  No, but they are still very, very good, even by today's newer standards.  Also, I am only speaking about on-track gameplay.  GT5:P really wen't all out on the car stills.  Those are a thing of beauty but, alas, cannot be played.



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good write up, to each his own sounds like a sound philosophy when buying games ... enjoy your GT5 gentlemen I will enjoy my forza



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Akvod said:
"If you are a Sony fanboy and think that GT5:P somehow smokes Forza 2, move along. Go to the bank, take out a loan, and buy a clue. The Forza 2 demo is good. The game is GREAT. Better than GT5:P when all things are considered. When the FULL GT5 comes out, there is no doubt it will be an amazing game. But then so will Forza 3 so, again, just leave it alone."

Since when is your opinion fact?

When you don't offer your own to refute.



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considering Forza 2 was made on Forza 1 engine i would say that it looks quite good. for me even Race Pro looks good so.



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kn said:
Dno said:
kn said:
Dno said:

Your opinion not mine or many others.... i love both and i own both but your comparing GT5 PRO with a full retail forza 2....

Why dont we all just stop this and when both FULL games drop we can start it up again.... if i see another thread about which is better i will burn it......

Both games are good thats that....

"I realize that GT5:P is just a prologue so it isn't fair to compare all the extra stuff in Forza 2 like purchasing performance parts, painting, auctions, online features, and so on so I'll just leave it at that."

I clearly pointed that out, I thought, and was just speaking of simulation and graphics -- those areas where everyone likes to say one kills the other.  They don't.  Both are spectacular in those regards.

I'm sick of the threads as well, but my point is that most of the threads are from assholes that don't have a clue what they are comparing.

like i said in my first post its your opinion.. i think its a fact that PD used more polygons on GT5 pro cars then forza 2... if you had compared forza 3 then id say you are prolly right but forza 2 looks like crap right now... i own both you can look at my gamer tag for proof.

 

Forza2 single handedly got me into the sim racing genre. its pretty clear that i love sony but i was never a fan of their GT series into forza 2 dropped. AFter playing forza 2 i loked at one trailer of GT5 and i was floored. So i played both JUST as much (mab a litle less) then you have and all i have to say is both are good but after playing GT5 Pro im now HOOKED onthe GT series.. I have not seen forza 3 gamplay yet but if you compare forza 2 and GT5 Pros graphics GT wins by far...

By far?  GT5:5 car models are definitely better but trackside detail is quite poor.  If you look at the reflections from the environment on the hood of the cars in GT5:P, you can see that they are VERY low resolution.  Outside of the car models themselves, there isn't anything special about GT5:P's graphics.

Forza does NOT look like crap.  Are you playing on a high-def TV?  Perhaps there is something I'm missing because the car models are very next-gen in Forza 2 -- very, very far from crap.  As good as GT5:P?  Certainly not but let's be honest here...  It's not like PS2 vs. PS3 graphics, now is it?

Have you really played the game? There is not 1 second of CGI in Prologue. I don't know what gave you that idea.

Nothing special outside the car models? Um... London track? The incredible lighting?

I don't know how anyone could say Forza 2 and Prologue are equal in graphics. Forza 3 is arguable, but 2? The car models are incredibly jaggy and proportionately innacurate. I can't name one racing game this gen that looks worse.



kn said:
Dno said:
kn said:
Dno said:
kn said:
Dno said:

Your opinion not mine or many others.... i love both and i own both but your comparing GT5 PRO with a full retail forza 2....

Why dont we all just stop this and when both FULL games drop we can start it up again.... if i see another thread about which is better i will burn it......

Both games are good thats that....

"I realize that GT5:P is just a prologue so it isn't fair to compare all the extra stuff in Forza 2 like purchasing performance parts, painting, auctions, online features, and so on so I'll just leave it at that."

I clearly pointed that out, I thought, and was just speaking of simulation and graphics -- those areas where everyone likes to say one kills the other.  They don't.  Both are spectacular in those regards.

I'm sick of the threads as well, but my point is that most of the threads are from assholes that don't have a clue what they are comparing.

like i said in my first post its your opinion.. i think its a fact that PD used more polygons on GT5 pro cars then forza 2... if you had compared forza 3 then id say you are prolly right but forza 2 looks like crap right now... i own both you can look at my gamer tag for proof.

 

Forza2 single handedly got me into the sim racing genre. its pretty clear that i love sony but i was never a fan of their GT series into forza 2 dropped. AFter playing forza 2 i loked at one trailer of GT5 and i was floored. So i played both JUST as much (mab a litle less) then you have and all i have to say is both are good but after playing GT5 Pro im now HOOKED onthe GT series.. I have not seen forza 3 gamplay yet but if you compare forza 2 and GT5 Pros graphics GT wins by far...

By far?  GT5:5 car models are definitely better but trackside detail is quite poor.  If you look at the reflections from the environment on the hood of the cars in GT5:P, you can see that they are VERY low resolution.  Outside of the car models themselves, there isn't anything special about GT5:P's graphics.

Forza does NOT look like crap.  Are you playing on a high-def TV?  Perhaps there is something I'm missing because the car models are very next-gen in Forza 2 -- very, very far from crap.  As good as GT5:P?  Certainly not but let's be honest here...  It's not like PS2 vs. PS3 graphics, now is it?

i have a 1080p sony XBR 40 inch complete with DTS surrond sound.. my setup is great.

ALL i said is forza 2 a game thats more then 2 years old looks like crap to todays standards... motorstorm, GT5 pro, fuel, dirt, killzone 2 uncharted 2 are all games that prove this.. i dont think you have played forza 2 lately lol..

 

JUST because I say this does NOT mean i dont like it.. i love it but its BUT is has been out done over the years.... now forza 3 looks wonderful and proves that they can get MUCH more out of their engine on the xbox.

Actually, I'm playing both games right now... All the GT5 and Forza 3 hype had me needing a racing fix so I've gone back to playing both.

Again, I think crap is a bad way to describe the Forza 2 car models.  Are they as good as the most recent game releases?  No, but they are still very, very good, even by today's newer standards.  Also, I am only speaking about on-track gameplay.  GT5:P really wen't all out on the car stills.  Those are a thing of beauty but, alas, cannot be played.

im floored by this.... can ANYONE put a video please because what i played is not gameplay?? thats crazy..... GT5 pro looks better thats a fact....



Eurogamer even states that prologue looks better than F3, thats debatable... F2 vs gt5p is not however... The car models in F2 looks like som cheap plastic bricks on wheels.



Dno said:

im floored by this.... can ANYONE put a video please because what i played is not gameplay?? thats crazy..... GT5 pro looks better thats a fact....

Do you want me to put up a vid of me playing GT5P? I can show you the lack of detail of the tracks or the slowdown that occurs quite often. The cars may look good but the overall graphical experience goes to Forza 2.

The only way GT is comparable is if you took a screenshot of the game. In motion Forza runs much smoother. Thats a fact.



                                   

The main complain for Forza over GT for me is the lack of good wheels support.

There are not many choices for Forza. MS wheel just doesn't cut it for a sim racer.
Fanatec has comparable high quality wheels coming out for the X360 but the price is too much for a person who already own a G25. And I don't understand the reason with the limited edition crap.

GT has a big selection of wheels and the wheels really take the driving experience to a different level.
You can get the decent DFGT for $100 or you can get the superior G25 for $200+ and there are many other choices.

Driving with a controller never felt like a sim.