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thekitchensink on 17 June 2009
shio said:
thekitchensink said:
shio said:
thekitchensink said:
I hate playing PC games, except for old games. Basically what Twesterm said--I don't appreciate having to buy a new $100 graphics card or whatever every three months to play the new game as it was meant to be played. Even when you have everything perfect, there's bound to be some kind of annoying bug on your computer that crashes the game, or some alert that minimizes the game at a pivotal moment, etc.

Also, I don't like having to deal with an entire keyboard when trying to memorize controls.

You're ignorant if you actually believe you need to upgrade your GPU every 3 months...lol. The vast majority of PC gamers don't even upgrade their computers, especially in this day and age where PCs are so powerful and games have so low requirements that many people believe PC gaming can be much cheaper than console gaming.

PCs are easier to use than ever, and services like Steam makes everything so much more accessible. Consoles on the other hand, are becoming more and more complicated.

*facepalm*

I think everyone else realized I didn't mean it literally.  The fact is, PCs need upgrading much more often than consoles.  There is no way you can deny that.  It's much more expensive, and you need to be much more tech savvy.

And then, even if you DO get a PC that can theoretically run the game, there's always something outside the game that messes you up, like someone messaging you on AIM/MSN, some message that you need to update something, etc.

Also, I seriously hope you're not trying to argue that PCs are more accessible than consoles when it comes to gaming.  With a PC, you need to download the game (if you use Steam or a similar service like you said), install it, enter a CD key (if it's on a disc), and then often take 20 minutes to download an update before you can actually play it.

With a console?  Put the game in the drive. Play it.

 

Add to that the fact that consoles have many other advantages, like local multiplayer, ability to play on your home entertainment centre (with ease), and just the comfort of knowing that if you buy a game for your Wii, it will run on your Wii, no questions asked.

Most PC gamers DON'T upgrade, so your point is moot. There is almost no need to upgrade PCs anymore because of what I've stated before. For example, my brother's 6 years old PC (bought early 2003) can still play most of today's PC games, and this is a PC from before the multi-core era.

And again, if we are comparing strictly gaming then there is no need to bring up "MSN messages popping up" because that is not a gaming related, but the fact that you can use MSN, AIM and several other IM's while you're playing PC games but not console games means that PC is that flexible. With Steam you can even use web-browse INSIDE the games!

PC gaming is becoming more accessible, while console gaming is becoming more complicated... what is there to not understand? I'm not saying whether PC is easier or not, that is irrelevant.

And you clearly know NOTHING about PC games, because when you're downloading a game from Steam it actually installs it AT THE SAME TIME. Right after the game is downloaded you can already play it, there is no additional installs!!!! And you usually don't need a CD key for digital copies... /facepalm

Many PC games also have local multiplayer, probably more than on any console. And PC also has a vastly bigger LAN support than all consoles combined.

 

First off, you seem to think I'm knocking PC gaming--I'm not.  If you prefer to play games on your PC, more power to you, and it's an excellent gaming platform.  There's no need to talk down to people who prefer different things than you.

Regarding the bolded, you may want to actually read my post this time, as I said "enter a CD key (if it's on a disc)".

Again, you seem to think that I'm trying to find ways to insult PC gaming.  The fact is that PCs inevitably have some message or some bug unrelated to the game that pops up and takes you out of the experience--that does affect my gaming experience on the PC.

Your brother must've gotten some amazing computer, because my custom-built dual-core PC I had made two years ago with the intention of getting into PC gaming doesn't run some of the new games that come out at a respectable level.

That said, you enjoy PC gaming, and I enjoy console gaming.  There's nothing wrong with either, so let's leave it at taht.  

 



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aavidbacon on 17 June 2009

The best mix is to have them both at your house, A console and a gamming rig. I agree with Shio that today is pretty easy to play games on pc(I always thought it to be easy and my upgrades occurs in 4 years intervals), but there's also games that are better to play on consoles, like sports for example. Actually, I got a PS3 for it's exclusives(over PC and other Consoles), but it all comes down to taste. Since my favorite genre is strategy, I think I'll reamain a big pc gamer for a long time( Console strategy games are laughable), but there's nothing bad about prefering a console for gamming. They are specialized pcs after all...



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shio on 17 June 2009
thekitchensink said:

First off, you seem to think I'm knocking PC gaming--I'm not.  If you prefer to play games on your PC, more power to you, and it's an excellent gaming platform.  There's no need to talk down to people who prefer different things than you.

Regarding the bolded, you may want to actually read my post this time, as I said "enter a CD key (if it's on a disc)".

Again, you seem to think that I'm trying to find ways to insult PC gaming.  The fact is that PCs inevitably have some message or some bug unrelated to the game that pops up and takes you out of the experience--that does affect my gaming experience on the PC.

Your brother must've gotten some amazing computer, because my custom-built dual-core PC I had made two years ago with the intention of getting into PC gaming doesn't run some of the new games that come out at a respectable level.

That said, you enjoy PC gaming, and I enjoy console gaming.  There's nothing wrong with either, so let's leave it at taht.  

 

See where your problem is? You're telling me that only the graphics makes the game respectable? 99% PC gamers DON'T think like you because they want GAMEPLAY, so they stick to PC because of the deeper and more complex gameplay and the high-adrenaline pumping action gameplay that you don't get on consoles.

I would rather play a old looking game like Deus Ex than play all the decent-looking games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion purely because Deus Ex crushes Fallout 3/Oblivion in terms of gameplay, design, writing, characters, story, etc.... Why do you think Pc gamers don't aren't worried in buying old games?

Well, by your opinion maybe you should stop playing console games because they don't look "respectable" since many of their games are only comparable to the LOW SETTINGS of the PC version. Hell, Rockstar said it themselves that the Console versions of GTA4 are around the LOW SETTINGS of the PC version.



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thekitchensink on 17 June 2009
shio said:
thekitchensink said:

First off, you seem to think I'm knocking PC gaming--I'm not.  If you prefer to play games on your PC, more power to you, and it's an excellent gaming platform.  There's no need to talk down to people who prefer different things than you.

Regarding the bolded, you may want to actually read my post this time, as I said "enter a CD key (if it's on a disc)".

Again, you seem to think that I'm trying to find ways to insult PC gaming.  The fact is that PCs inevitably have some message or some bug unrelated to the game that pops up and takes you out of the experience--that does affect my gaming experience on the PC.

Your brother must've gotten some amazing computer, because my custom-built dual-core PC I had made two years ago with the intention of getting into PC gaming doesn't run some of the new games that come out at a respectable level.

That said, you enjoy PC gaming, and I enjoy console gaming.  There's nothing wrong with either, so let's leave it at taht.  

 

See where your problem is? You're telling me that only the graphics makes the game respectable? 99% PC gamers DON'T think like you because they want GAMEPLAY, so they stick to PC because of the deeper and more complex gameplay and the high-adrenaline pumping action gameplay that you don't get on consoles.

I would rather play a old looking game like Deus Ex than play all the decent-looking games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion purely because Deus Ex crushes Fallout 3/Oblivion in terms of gameplay, design, writing, characters, story, etc.... Why do you think Pc gamers don't aren't worried in buying old games?

Well, by your opinion maybe you should stop playing console games because they don't look "respectable" since many of their games are only comparable to the LOW SETTINGS of the PC version. Hell, Rockstar said it themselves that the Console versions of GTA4 are around the LOW SETTINGS of the PC version.

Ok, it's time to stop now.  You're not going to convince me to start being a PC gamer, and I'm not even trying to convince you to become a console gamer.

If you're playing the 'gameplay' card, we could argue over which is better 'til the cows come home and the only thing we'd accomplish is getting exasperated.  You can argue that PC games are more complex, I can argue that console games are quicker to get into, you can argue that PC has better online or LAN, I can argue that consoles are better for local multiplayer, etc, etc, etc.  It wouldn't end.

 

And on that note, I'm done.



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mjc2021 on 17 June 2009

I use my PC for gaming. I can't play emulators on my 360.



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Legend11 on 17 June 2009
shio said:
thekitchensink said:

First off, you seem to think I'm knocking PC gaming--I'm not.  If you prefer to play games on your PC, more power to you, and it's an excellent gaming platform.  There's no need to talk down to people who prefer different things than you.

Regarding the bolded, you may want to actually read my post this time, as I said "enter a CD key (if it's on a disc)".

Again, you seem to think that I'm trying to find ways to insult PC gaming.  The fact is that PCs inevitably have some message or some bug unrelated to the game that pops up and takes you out of the experience--that does affect my gaming experience on the PC.

Your brother must've gotten some amazing computer, because my custom-built dual-core PC I had made two years ago with the intention of getting into PC gaming doesn't run some of the new games that come out at a respectable level.

That said, you enjoy PC gaming, and I enjoy console gaming.  There's nothing wrong with either, so let's leave it at taht.  

 

See where your problem is? You're telling me that only the graphics makes the game respectable? 99% PC gamers DON'T think like you because they want GAMEPLAY, so they stick to PC because of the deeper and more complex gameplay and the high-adrenaline pumping action gameplay that you don't get on consoles.

I would rather play a old looking game like Deus Ex than play all the decent-looking games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion purely because Deus Ex crushes Fallout 3/Oblivion in terms of gameplay, design, writing, characters, story, etc.... Why do you think Pc gamers don't aren't worried in buying old games?

Well, by your opinion maybe you should stop playing console games because they don't look "respectable" since many of their games are only comparable to the LOW SETTINGS of the PC version. Hell, Rockstar said it themselves that the Console versions of GTA4 are around the LOW SETTINGS of the PC version.





Seriously, doesn't making a PC game more for consoles typically mean adding more action to them?



StanGable on 17 June 2009
Legend11 said:
shio said:
thekitchensink said:

First off, you seem to think I'm knocking PC gaming--I'm not.  If you prefer to play games on your PC, more power to you, and it's an excellent gaming platform.  There's no need to talk down to people who prefer different things than you.

Regarding the bolded, you may want to actually read my post this time, as I said "enter a CD key (if it's on a disc)".

Again, you seem to think that I'm trying to find ways to insult PC gaming.  The fact is that PCs inevitably have some message or some bug unrelated to the game that pops up and takes you out of the experience--that does affect my gaming experience on the PC.

Your brother must've gotten some amazing computer, because my custom-built dual-core PC I had made two years ago with the intention of getting into PC gaming doesn't run some of the new games that come out at a respectable level.

That said, you enjoy PC gaming, and I enjoy console gaming.  There's nothing wrong with either, so let's leave it at taht.  

 

See where your problem is? You're telling me that only the graphics makes the game respectable? 99% PC gamers DON'T think like you because they want GAMEPLAY, so they stick to PC because of the deeper and more complex gameplay and the high-adrenaline pumping action gameplay that you don't get on consoles.

I would rather play a old looking game like Deus Ex than play all the decent-looking games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion purely because Deus Ex crushes Fallout 3/Oblivion in terms of gameplay, design, writing, characters, story, etc.... Why do you think Pc gamers don't aren't worried in buying old games?

Well, by your opinion maybe you should stop playing console games because they don't look "respectable" since many of their games are only comparable to the LOW SETTINGS of the PC version. Hell, Rockstar said it themselves that the Console versions of GTA4 are around the LOW SETTINGS of the PC version.





Seriously, doesn't making a PC game more for consoles typically mean adding more action to them?

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The Anarchyz on 17 June 2009

I'm a console gamer since the early 80's and a PC gamer since the early 90's, i remember when John Carmack and John Romero were the guru's of western gaming (console games were mostly made by J-companies back then), i like both experiences and i always recommend: If anyone is only a console gamer, try PC games, if anyone is only a PC gamer, try console games...

This gen, I built a PC especially for gaming and multimedia while my PC that used to get all mixed is now only for the other stuff, and my HDTV connections are right now like this: DVI-D with Gaming Rig, HDMI2 with PS3 and Component with Wii...



Mendicate Bias on 17 June 2009
greenmedic88 said:
Mendicate Bias said:
shio said:

Most PC gamers DON'T upgrade, so your point is moot. There is almost no need to upgrade PCs anymore because of what I've stated before. For example, my brother's 6 years old PC (bought early 2003) can still play most of today's PC games, and this is a PC from before the multi-core era.

And again, if we are comparing strictly gaming then there is no need to bring up "MSN messages popping up" because that is not a gaming related, but the fact that you can use MSN, AIM and several other IM's while you're playing PC games but not console games means that PC is that flexible. With Steam you can even use web-browse INSIDE the games!

PC gaming is becoming more accessible, while console gaming is becoming more complicated... what is there to not understand? I'm not saying whether PC is easier or not, that is irrelevant.

And you clearly know NOTHING about PC games, because when you're downloading a game from Steam it actually installs it AT THE SAME TIME. Right after the game is downloaded you can already play it, there is no additional installs!!!! And you usually don't need a CD key for digital copies... /facepalm

Many PC games also have local multiplayer, probably more than on any console. And PC also has a vastly bigger LAN support than all consoles combined.

 

Wait so you can play split screen on your computer, thats amazing I wish the rest of us noobs knew how to play split screen on our computers.

And actually you can be signed on to msn and playing games on the 360 at the same time. Not that I ever am since its ridiculously annoying getting messages while in an online match.

Also I know you keep saying that you can buy a pc for very cheap that can easily play crysis. I'm assuming you mean building your own pc, which the massive majority of the general public wouldn't even know where to start. However if you can find me a pc at retail for $400 that can play crysis on med-high settings then I will concede the point. I honestly don't know much about pc costs right now so you might easily be able to do this, I'm just curious.

The main problem with OEM systems is that every spec tends to be more than enough for games... except for the VGA card.

Naturally, cheap systems with integrated video go right out.

Slightly less cheap systems with very cheap discrete video cards (well under $100 retail bought separate) aren't much better.

Unfortunately, most OEM systems with decent video cards (9800GT or HD4850 for example) will charge the buyer an unnecessary premium since it will likely be marketed as a "gaming" rig. You will not find these for $500 or even $600, barring inventory clearing sales.

Best bet for the low tech savvy buyer is get a low cost rig with a decent processor and memory and buy the best VGA card your budget permits. Learn how to install a PCI card and install/update drivers. If you can't do that, then stick with console gaming.

 

And no, this won't be a $400 or even a $500 game slaying box.

Considering I don't understand half of what you said I'm guessing it's probably better if I stick to console gaming. Besides like I said before my favorite games are console exclusives.

So what most people have been saying is true. For someone that knows relatively little when it comes to pc's to get into pc gaming would cost a substantialy higher investment seeing as how they would buy their pc at retail not to mention future compatibility issues they would have to worry about with new releases that almost always pop up with pc games.



                                           

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twesterm on 17 June 2009
shio said:
Legend11 said:
shio said:
sapient said:
I got tired of spending more time on upgrading, installing and patching games than playing them. Buying all 3 Wii, Xbox360 and PS3 was a lot cheaper than upgrading my PC every 6 month for "a" new game. For the most part I can just put the disk in and start playing no more waiting.

upgrading and patching are no longer problems of modern PC gaming. New Gaming PCs without upgrades can keep playing new games much more than consoles can. And patching nowadays are streamlined and you no longer need to hunt for patches due to services like Steam (most games themselves now have an automatic way to upgrade even).

Installing I don't even call a problem because that's something I believe most PC gamers would do it just to help on the loading times. Consoles now even have installs.

 

I think the best thing about PC gaming today is that you don't even need to put a disk to play! All you need is to click on your game's icon to play it, no disk.


Funny you should mention that.  My girlfriend was hunting high and low today for her Sims 3 disc so she could play the game.

Or she could've just bought the game on Gamersgate, Direct2drive or some other DDS and wouldn't need to worry about discs...

So you're pretty much saying PC gaming is confusing and actually has a fault then or else everyone would always use DDS?