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slowmo on 16 June 2009

JRPG's are standing still with no innovation and the storylines are the same rehashed crap we've seen for the last 15 years recycled, it is no conincidence we have not had a AAA JRPG yet this generation. WRPG's for me show variety and they're all a bit different, look at the choices you're given in games like Fallout 3, Mass Effect, Fable 2, etc.

Apologies for slating your favourite genre to the JRPG fans, surely you guys must see that something needs to change in the genre if it is to survive in the long term?



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xcot on 16 June 2009

The only great WRPG imo is fable. The rest bore me to tears.

Also:

"If it weren`t for the Final Fantasy series and Xenosaga it might be a

draw here, but Nobuo Uematsu changed the way we listen to music in video-games"

I would argue that zelda and fragile farewell ruins of the moon (tri-crescendo games in general) have better music.



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pearljammer on 16 June 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
mai said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pearljammer said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

JRPG's arent typically RPG's. Take away the battle system from JRPG's and they are as typical as a simple action-adventure game. 'Nough said.

And if you take away jumping from a platformer, they would no longer be platformers.

You cannot just simply “take away” one of the most, if not the most, important elements of a game.

My point is that most JRPG's do not exemplify what an RPG is. The only thing they have going for them is the battle system which isn't enough to save it's credibility.


Blame Ultima and Wizardry, games that served as first inspiration for early jRPG creators. BTW for p'n'p RPG purists CRPGs aren't exactly RPGs as well. Those are very different experiences.


Ever played Dungeons and Dragons? Pencil and Paper RPG's where you created characters, controlled their strengths, affected the storyline by making certain choices, leveled them up and put them into battle with the characters a DM sets before you? Yeah...that is the concept of what real RPG's are.

I do not understand why we are focusing on whether or not JRPGs are 'real' RPGs. They simply were a brach off the typical RPG. That does not necessarily make them any better or any worse. Just different.

There are plenty of great hybrid games that borrow from several genres... it doesnèt take away from their so called 'credibility'. JRPG is simply a title... nothing to get hung up about.

 



xcot on 16 June 2009
slowmo said:
JRPG's are standing still with no innovation and the storylines are the same rehashed crap we've seen for the last 15 years recycled, it is no conincidence we have not had a AAA JRPG yet this generation. WRPG's for me show variety and they're all a bit different, look at the choices you're given in games like Fallout 3, Mass Effect, Fable 2, etc.

Apologies for slating your favourite genre to the JRPG fans, surely you guys must see that something needs to change in the genre if it is to survive in the long term?


Correction, we haven't had an AAA jrpg on consoles because the japanese like many western developers are caught up with graphics.

Where the DS s really innovating in RPGs.

Its has great S-jrpgs, normal jrpgs, unique jrpgs like pokemon and twewy etc.



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Christhor on 16 June 2009

A loooot of people in here needs to go buy the Persona's and other ShinTen games



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Xigmund on 16 June 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Xigmund said:
JRPG's have been running the show since '96. Come on now


Thats the point. Our generation kept them running. I doubt the new generation will continue that trend unless they live in Japan. We grew up with Pokemon, Dot. Hack, Final Fantasy and more, but times are changing. I myself am quickly growing out of JRPG's, but for Nostalgias sake I actually buy the FF series games. If FFXIII isn't good, I'm done with JRPG's. I am definitely playing Versus, because that game will take away the JRPG battle system away...which makes it only an action adventure game. As i've always said...the only thing that keeps JRPG's an RPG is the adopted battle system; not the storyline, not the characters, but the battle system.

 

Hell yeah! That's EXACTLY what I say. I grew up with the JRPG genre and I still remember latchkey in the 3rd-4th grade playing Pokemon Gold and Silver NON STOP. If FFXIII does indeed fail, I'm going to be a pretty pissed JRPG fan. The characters sometimes are a bit whimpy, emo and just plain stupid (Edge Maverick? GTFO). To me I think Square has been 'Americanizing' the JRPG genre. Kingdom Hearts probably made action rpg games pretty popular in IMO, seeing as Versus just may adopt that same battle system.

 

If a JRPG doesn't have a good battle system then what's the point? That's what I based them off as well.



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Adobo on 16 June 2009

this is like PS3 fanboys vs Xbox 360 fanboys fighting which system is better...





my opinion, Mass Effect pawn all your freaking RPG!



Xigmund on 16 June 2009
Adobo said:
this is like PS3 fanboys vs Xbox 360 fanboys fighting which system is better...





my opinion, Mass Effect pawn all your freaking RPG!

LOL that is true. But JRPG's have WRPG's beat by a mile.

Ever heard of Final Fantasy? POKEMON?



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Citan on 16 June 2009
Adobo said:
this is like PS3 fanboys vs Xbox 360 fanboys fighting which system is better...





my opinion, Mass Effect pawn all your freaking RPG!

You are wrong. That I can tell.

slowmo on 16 June 2009
xcot said:
slowmo said:
JRPG's are standing still with no innovation and the storylines are the same rehashed crap we've seen for the last 15 years recycled, it is no conincidence we have not had a AAA JRPG yet this generation. WRPG's for me show variety and they're all a bit different, look at the choices you're given in games like Fallout 3, Mass Effect, Fable 2, etc.

Apologies for slating your favourite genre to the JRPG fans, surely you guys must see that something needs to change in the genre if it is to survive in the long term?


Correction, we haven't had an AAA jrpg on consoles because the japanese like many western developers are caught up with graphics.

Where the DS s really innovating in RPGs.

Its has great S-jrpgs, normal jrpgs, unique jrpgs like pokemon and twewy etc.


No, they're just becoming stale and boring following the same generic story line with very little innovation of the genre.  Mass Effect and Fall Out 3 had great graphics and both provided innovations to their chosen genre, thats from a new IP and a existing IP under control of a new dev too.  If JRPG's don't start to evolve soon then they'll die out, the problem is gamers need to get the JRPG developers to understand this and they seemingly aren't listening.