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damndl0ser on 13 June 2009
Steroid said:
dhummel said:
forevercloud3000 said:
damndl0ser said:
This is the slow time of year, so a 10k per week advantage is actually pretty good. Esp... considering that the PS3 has had some exclusives drop recently that were highly touted. If your a Ps3 fan, you should be wondering why the PS3 isn't doing better.

Fall and Christmas will be where the PS3 or 360 wins the year (for hd consoles) and either pulls farther ahead or norrows the margin. Just like last year.

"lay it down, then flip it and reverse it..."

The PS3 is at least Double a 360's price. Even if this IS the slow period of the year, the 360 should be outselling PS3 by close to double at all times.....but its not. PS3 is struggling in a deminishing economy yet some how keeps holding it's own. MS has put out more exclusive...content(not so much as games, GTA LatD is not a GAME) this year which they are touting to be the next big things.

I do agree that the biggest differences will come in the fall, where the biggest games of the year will be as well as rumoured PS3 price drop(maybe MS?).

That logic is so bass-ackwards. You assume all consumers have similar disposable income, for one. Do Kia Rios outsell Honda Accords by double? Are they expected to in order to be successful? Of course not. And, as so many cows like to point out (I'm sure I'd find it in your post history somewhere), the 360 has added costs for LIVE, Wi-Fi, etc. that the PS3 doesn't. So every 360 Arcade purchase most likely ends up costing the consumer 250-300$ or so. That's not close to 1/2 the price of a PS3.

This isn't Gamespot so chilax with the trolling. Otherwise I'd be able to call you any farm animal i wanted- like a pig for example.

To explain why your logic fails. If someone goes into bestbuy looking for a 360 you think the worker there is going to say: "did you know that PS3 has Free online, bluray, wi-fi, rechargeable controllers and is less likely to break?" Hells no he's going to sell him the 360 and every possible accesory and add on he can. 

 

Fission Mailed.

LOL!  You calling me a troll?  If you check both our post history and BAN history we can see who clearly is the troll here.  

 



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Dark Chaos on 13 June 2009
damndl0ser said:
Steroid said:
dhummel said:
forevercloud3000 said:
damndl0ser said:
This is the slow time of year, so a 10k per week advantage is actually pretty good. Esp... considering that the PS3 has had some exclusives drop recently that were highly touted. If your a Ps3 fan, you should be wondering why the PS3 isn't doing better.

Fall and Christmas will be where the PS3 or 360 wins the year (for hd consoles) and either pulls farther ahead or norrows the margin. Just like last year.

"lay it down, then flip it and reverse it..."

The PS3 is at least Double a 360's price. Even if this IS the slow period of the year, the 360 should be outselling PS3 by close to double at all times.....but its not. PS3 is struggling in a deminishing economy yet some how keeps holding it's own. MS has put out more exclusive...content(not so much as games, GTA LatD is not a GAME) this year which they are touting to be the next big things.

I do agree that the biggest differences will come in the fall, where the biggest games of the year will be as well as rumoured PS3 price drop(maybe MS?).

That logic is so bass-ackwards. You assume all consumers have similar disposable income, for one. Do Kia Rios outsell Honda Accords by double? Are they expected to in order to be successful? Of course not. And, as so many cows like to point out (I'm sure I'd find it in your post history somewhere), the 360 has added costs for LIVE, Wi-Fi, etc. that the PS3 doesn't. So every 360 Arcade purchase most likely ends up costing the consumer 250-300$ or so. That's not close to 1/2 the price of a PS3.

This isn't Gamespot so chilax with the trolling. Otherwise I'd be able to call you any farm animal i wanted- like a pig for example.

To explain why your logic fails. If someone goes into bestbuy looking for a 360 you think the worker there is going to say: "did you know that PS3 has Free online, bluray, wi-fi, rechargeable controllers and is less likely to break?" Hells no he's going to sell him the 360 and every possible accesory and add on he can. 

 

Fission Mailed.

LOL!  You calling me a troll?  If you check both our post history and BAN history we can see who clearly is the troll here.  

 

Steriod is a big SONY fanboy who trolls anything MS related. He lives in a fantasy world where he feels MS cant respond to a SONY pricecut. ANd his logic is soo childish its like arguing against a wall.

To explain why your logic fails. If someone goes into bestbuy looking for a 360 you think the worker there is going to say: "did you know that PS3 has Free online, bluray, wi-fi, rechargeable controllers and is less likely to break?" Hells no he's going to sell him the 360 and every possible accesory and add on he can. 

 Do you know Best buy is not commision based? Atleast get your facts straight before trolling. This guy should be banned. No ones ever bought a system like this. No one goes into a store and gets ripped off like this. They must be stupid if they did.



Dark Chaos on 13 June 2009
Steroid said:
Squilliam said:
Steroid said:
Squilliam said:

Why is it a strange assumption? I have data which shows greater relative Americas sales during the holidays and I have seen the PS3 barely edge past the Xbox 360 during 2007 holidays when it had the big price cut to get the whole train moving. Yet from the relative performance during the holidays people were shocked to see the PS3 greatly ahead of the Xbox 360 at the start of 2008. Look at the graphs, the Xbox 360 always does relatively better than the PS3 towards the end of the year and the PS3 always does relatively better than the Xbox 360 towards the start of the year.

Also the Xbox 360 is profitable, if you read between the lines of the financial reports with 3 data points you can see that a lot of the revenue of E+D is due to the Xbox 360 but not nearly all of the expense. They can afford to drop the price if they so chose, and since they stated previously that their goal was 2nd place this generation you can believe that they will cut the price.

MS still has 9 billion to go before they make a single cent on the xbox brand. I'm not saying Sony is in a better position financially but you're going off on a tangent. My question is if they waited a year to respond to the 2007 pricecut, why would they do an immidiate response in 2009 when they aren't in as strong a position? Don't equivocate I'd like some sound logic.

They didn't wait a year, they waited 6 months in Europe and then for the end of the year they timed their response perfectly and they took back everything Sony took during the year and then added some more. Their response to the price cut was perfect and it will probably lead to a 4M unit swing by the time Sony can respond. I predicted their response at the time based off statements they made that they would finish 2nd in the generation. These statements still apply.

Microsoft does not have 9B to go, you're basing it off some stupid inflation adjusted table which is based off their entire EDD results and has pretty close to zero bearing on the actual Xbox 360 operations and reality. Look beneath the results and you can see there is actually a fairly good margin between costs directly attributed to the Xbox 360 and revenue gathered by that platform. The EDD isn't carrying the Xbox 360, the Xbox 360 is carrying the EDD. Furthermore the losses are sunk costs and they don't effect the operations going forward so long as the operations are profitable.

What incentive does Microsoft have for increasing sales now? They have 3 quite big incentives. The first is their revenue model is better than Sony's so they can earn revenue off the online services in Xbox Live so they can afford a bigger loss per unit initially because they can earn more revenue per Xbox 360 per year. The second is that they want to have a bigger userbase to speed adoption of Natal to earn more future revenue and it also gives them better negotiating positions with third party companies. The third is the console war games bleed on between generations, a stronger result now yields a stronger result for the next time they play the game. How they come out of the gate next time is reflected on how many units they sell this time.

Can they afford to cut the price? Well probably. The Xbox 360 has been on the market for a year longer than the PS3 and it hasn't had as drastic price cuts as the competition. Also their revenues are improving whilst for Sony their PSP and PS2 sales are down year over year. Also even if they make no internal hardware changes to the Xbox 360, a console produced now will be cheaper than it was last year due to improved yields on the chips and lower prices per wafer, better manufacturing, more reliable consoles and lower prices on pretty much everything due to the recession. How much cheaper? I don't know but its definately cheaper. Add any other changes they care to make into the mix such as 45nm CPU/GPUs, obsorbing the ED-Ram into the GPU, using 4 ram chips vs 8 or switching to faster/cheaper GDDR5 its all open to them and they would all cut the per unit price of the Xbox 360.

 

I was trying to avoid a pissing contest but I see it's impossible. If you think the 360 will begetting a pricedrop two years in a row I have no reason to doubt you.

I see so you get OWNED. And u just chicken out.



Dark Chaos on 13 June 2009
Steroid said:
Hephaestos said:
actually the gap is getting bigger... but there have been many adjustments in favor of PS3. It likely is residue from the xmass periode sales I guess.

It's not magic. 360's exclusive lineup for the year has been trash. I point you towards Ninja Blade. Are you surprised gamers are more excited for inFamous then they are Ninja Blade?

Halo Wars ???? Troll



SJGohan3972 on 13 June 2009
Dark Chaos said:
Steroid said:
Hephaestos said:
actually the gap is getting bigger... but there have been many adjustments in favor of PS3. It likely is residue from the xmass periode sales I guess.

It's not magic. 360's exclusive lineup for the year has been trash. I point you towards Ninja Blade. Are you surprised gamers are more excited for inFamous then they are Ninja Blade?

Halo Wars ???? Troll

To be fair Halo Wars was in response to KillZone 2, and has been out for a while, inFamous just came out and there really isn't a big 360 exclusive to match it right now - but that makes the fact that the 360 is still leading in sales all the more amazing. He is not trolling, you however are flamebaiting and trying to get him to get mad so you can as well - and it's really annoying.



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Killergran on 13 June 2009
forevercloud3000 said:

Sigh......this is why I say the general consumer is stupid.......

This attitude here is why you even made this thread. You assume that your opinions and values are the norm, and anyone not sharing those are stupid and have bad taste . This gives rise to the belief that people will soon see the greatness that you see, if they are only educated a little bit. So you wait for this to happen. But you have misjudged what other people value, and the logical chain of events you are waiting for never occurs.

I would say that what is stupid is failing to recognise that the values you see in a product might not be the values other people see, or are even looking for. That's why Nintendo is the market leader this generation by the way. It's also why you cannot understand how this could be. Because they could understand the concept that values differ between people, while you could not.

You look at the Xbox and you see that the PS3 is superior in every way that counts. Except price, of course, so that must be the reason it's not selling as well! So you believe that dropping the price of the PS3 will result in the xbox retiring. But you forget that what other people value might not be what you value. Your basic assumptions are flawed, and any conclusions you draw from them will be equally flawed (though by chance you might come to the right conclusions once in a while).

My post here is based on a couple of assumptions that I have gathered from what you have posted so far in this thread, as well as my general sense of your character from previous encounters with your posts. It's not only provoked by you, but by the staggering amount of people that share this belief that people are stupid and have bad taste. It is a lash out at anyone and everyone that subscribes to this, in my mind rather ridiculous, point of view.



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billsalias on 13 June 2009
Killergran said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Sigh......this is why I say the general consumer is stupid.......

This attitude here is why you even made this thread. You assume that your opinions and values are the norm, and anyone not sharing those are stupid and have bad taste . This gives rise to the belief that people will soon see the greatness that you see, if they are only educated a little bit. So you wait for this to happen. But you have misjudged what other people value, and the logical chain of events you are waiting for never occurs.

I would say that what is stupid is failing to recognise that the values you see in a product might not be the values other people see, or are even looking for. That's why Nintendo is the market leader this generation by the way. It's also why you cannot understand how this could be. Because they could understand the concept that values differ between people, while you could not.

You look at the Xbox and you see that the PS3 is superior in every way that counts. Except price, of course, so that must be the reason it's not selling as well! So you believe that dropping the price of the PS3 will result in the xbox retiring. But you forget that what other people value might not be what you value. Your basic assumptions are flawed, and any conclusions you draw from them will be equally flawed (though by chance you might come to the right conclusions once in a while).

My post here is based on a couple of assumptions that I have gathered from what you have posted so far in this thread, as well as my general sense of your character from previous encounters with your posts. It's not only provoked by you, but by the staggering amount of people that share this belief that people are stupid and have bad taste. It is a lash out at anyone and everyone that subscribes to this, in my mind rather ridiculous, point of view.

Well articulated. I find this attitude the most frustrating thing, not just on message boards but with people in general.



dhummel on 14 June 2009
Steroid said:
dhummel said:
forevercloud3000 said:
damndl0ser said:
This is the slow time of year, so a 10k per week advantage is actually pretty good. Esp... considering that the PS3 has had some exclusives drop recently that were highly touted. If your a Ps3 fan, you should be wondering why the PS3 isn't doing better.

Fall and Christmas will be where the PS3 or 360 wins the year (for hd consoles) and either pulls farther ahead or norrows the margin. Just like last year.

"lay it down, then flip it and reverse it..."

The PS3 is at least Double a 360's price. Even if this IS the slow period of the year, the 360 should be outselling PS3 by close to double at all times.....but its not. PS3 is struggling in a deminishing economy yet some how keeps holding it's own. MS has put out more exclusive...content(not so much as games, GTA LatD is not a GAME) this year which they are touting to be the next big things.

I do agree that the biggest differences will come in the fall, where the biggest games of the year will be as well as rumoured PS3 price drop(maybe MS?).

That logic is so bass-ackwards. You assume all consumers have similar disposable income, for one. Do Kia Rios outsell Honda Accords by double? Are they expected to in order to be successful? Of course not. And, as so many cows like to point out (I'm sure I'd find it in your post history somewhere), the 360 has added costs for LIVE, Wi-Fi, etc. that the PS3 doesn't. So every 360 Arcade purchase most likely ends up costing the consumer 250-300$ or so. That's not close to 1/2 the price of a PS3.

This isn't Gamespot so chilax with the trolling. Otherwise I'd be able to call you any farm animal i wanted- like a pig for example.

To explain why your logic fails. If someone goes into bestbuy looking for a 360 you think the worker there is going to say: "did you know that PS3 has Free online, bluray, wi-fi, rechargeable controllers and is less likely to break?" Hells no he's going to sell him the 360 and every possible accesory and add on he can. 

 

Fission Mailed.

You "explained" my poor logic with some concocted hypothetical scenario? That scenario isnt even accurate. You assume the consumer has no agency or intelligence in their purchase. They must have somehow wandered into Best Buy with 300$ to burn. And what the hell? So now the added-on costs of LIVE, wi-fi, and so on actually make the 360 MORE expensive than the PS3 (this is what you are saying, isn't it?). Why else would the Best Buy employee try to sell the customer the 360 over the PS3 in your scenario? So then it is even MORE impressive that the 360 is outselling the PS3 at all! Talk about shoddy logic.



Squilliam on 14 June 2009
dhummel said:

You "explained" my poor logic with some concocted hypothetical scenario? That scenario isnt even accurate. You assume the consumer has no agency or intelligence in their purchase. They must have somehow wandered into Best Buy with 300$ to burn. And what the hell? So now the added-on costs of LIVE, wi-fi, and so on actually make the 360 MORE expensive than the PS3 (this is what you are saying, isn't it?). Why else would the Best Buy employee try to sell the customer the 360 over the PS3 in your scenario? So then it is even MORE impressive that the 360 is outselling the PS3 at all! Talk about shoddy logic.

No, the most likely explanation is that they walked into Best Buy and they knew which console they wanted before they got there. Afterall, who actually talks to what passes for the 'help' these days?



Tease.

madskillz on 14 June 2009
Killergran said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Sigh......this is why I say the general consumer is stupid.......

This attitude here is why you even made this thread. You assume that your opinions and values are the norm, and anyone not sharing those are stupid and have bad taste . This gives rise to the belief that people will soon see the greatness that you see, if they are only educated a little bit. So you wait for this to happen. But you have misjudged what other people value, and the logical chain of events you are waiting for never occurs.

I would say that what is stupid is failing to recognise that the values you see in a product might not be the values other people see, or are even looking for. That's why Nintendo is the market leader this generation by the way. It's also why you cannot understand how this could be. Because they could understand the concept that values differ between people, while you could not.

You look at the Xbox and you see that the PS3 is superior in every way that counts. Except price, of course, so that must be the reason it's not selling as well! So you believe that dropping the price of the PS3 will result in the xbox retiring. But you forget that what other people value might not be what you value. Your basic assumptions are flawed, and any conclusions you draw from them will be equally flawed (though by chance you might come to the right conclusions once in a while).

My post here is based on a couple of assumptions that I have gathered from what you have posted so far in this thread, as well as my general sense of your character from previous encounters with your posts. It's not only provoked by you, but by the staggering amount of people that share this belief that people are stupid and have bad taste. It is a lash out at anyone and everyone that subscribes to this, in my mind rather ridiculous, point of view.

This response is full of win. Most fanboys don't have beef with you unless you are on the opposing side. Consumers have a choice and right now, whether folks wanna dream and say the pow3r of teh ce11 or the like, an 8M lead is nothing to sneeze at. Last gen, the PS2 dominated. The PS3 is no PS2, nor will folks graduate to it.

So, the general consumer is stupid - without the IMHO. Wow - that's just totally certifiable. You, my friend, should be getting a check monthly from the govt.