forza 2 was heavily bundled my elite came with it (i hated it)

 i can see forza 3 selling 2.5-4m while GT5 selling 6-7m

Look any Sony Franchise that Microsoft can't steal, they have to copy. They are trying to smother Sony so they have nothing special to offer. Luckily Sony is rather creative so hopefully they can stay ahead of MS.

Forza 3 is as much of GT5 killer as of Killzone 2 was to Halo 3. We all know how that came out.

@darth

Not many xbox owner will pay much attention to a racing game, Forza 3 or whatever when there are games MUCH MORE APPEALING to the same base released that season such as MODERN WARFARE 2 and HALO ODST. Forza is not that big of a franchise on the 360. If bundled for X-mas sales will be a different story , though. But the 360 fanbase is looking at Halo and MW2 first and foremost. And Assassin's Creed 2 will be bigger than Forza 3 also.

The only way F3 could outsell GT5 is if you count each of its disks as a separate sale.

Especially considering that 360's majority of SW sales come from NA where racing isn't that big.

It's a joke but worth noting that some people such as myself will not even consider this game because of the two disks save to HDD thing. If it weren't $100 for a 60 GB HDD for the 360 it would be a non issue.

@RPG

not really

I have never seen developers insult another competing franchise in this way........so its obvious they want to kill GT

But so far their negative talk on GT is harming them

@seece

tell that to turn 10 not to me, the message they are sending out is obvious........

There probably won't be too much to differentiate these games in terms of graphics, sound, and handling. If anything, I expect GT to have a slight edge and it is the more recognised brand name. At the end of the day though, I doubt GT5P will better Forza 3 by the amount required for me, as a 360 user, to justify purchasing a PS3.

I don't think they want to 'kill' GT as a racing franchise, they want to kill GT as 'THE' or 'THE ONLY' racing franchise which is big. In the end what they want to do is grow Forza 3 as a series so that its close to the same size as GT and that car manufacturers, the public and the media will give them both equal respect. They are fighting to have equal respect, they are not fighting to somehow best GT5.

I can see Microsoft really sticking their hand in the advertising jar and pulling a big wad of money out for Forza 3. It makes perfect sense, give Forza 3 a chance to really show itself as a huge franchise and if they do it right they will have two big franchises rather than one.