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JaggedSac said:
HappySqurriel said:
JaggedSac said:
Well regardless of the naysayers, MS is pouring an ass load of money and support into Natal. It will come out whether people bitch about it's lack of uses on forums or not, in fact, forums matter so very little, and correlate so very little, in the grand scheme of things.

If they are throwing so much money and support into making their system attract a broader demographic of gamers why are there so few games for release in 2009 or 2010 that appeal to these gamers?

The Arcade has tons of games for casuals. And I did not say they are currently throwing tons of support for casual gaming on the 360, just that they are throwing tons of money and support for Natal. In fact, MS is viewing Natal as a rejuvenation of the platform, another launch if you will that will make it last several more years. They have said this. And it is looking like Pete is going to be in charge of the main first party software that utilizes Natal. Which isn't a bad thing if you ask me.

I'm pretty sure Sega expected both the Sega CD and the 32X to "rejuvenate" the Sega Genesis and make it last several years ... The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry



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Squilliam, the Wii wouldn't be popular, if it wasn't appealing, it doesn't tay popular because its popular, its popularity only means people are aware of it, that they get plenty of chances to play it themselves



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

HappySqurriel said:
JaggedSac said:
HappySqurriel said:
JaggedSac said:
Well regardless of the naysayers, MS is pouring an ass load of money and support into Natal. It will come out whether people bitch about it's lack of uses on forums or not, in fact, forums matter so very little, and correlate so very little, in the grand scheme of things.

If they are throwing so much money and support into making their system attract a broader demographic of gamers why are there so few games for release in 2009 or 2010 that appeal to these gamers?

The Arcade has tons of games for casuals. And I did not say they are currently throwing tons of support for casual gaming on the 360, just that they are throwing tons of money and support for Natal. In fact, MS is viewing Natal as a rejuvenation of the platform, another launch if you will that will make it last several more years. They have said this. And it is looking like Pete is going to be in charge of the main first party software that utilizes Natal. Which isn't a bad thing if you ask me.

I'm pretty sure Sega expected both the Sega CD and the 32X to "rejuvenate" the Sega Genesis and make it last several years ... The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry

You are correct.  It could fail horribly.  But that will not change the fact that it WILL be released and it WILL have software support from at least several development studios.  Where they go from there is anybody's guess.

But they already have good media buzz around a buggy prototype, so I suspect people will be enjoying the full fledged games that Peter Molyneux develops.  Say what you will about ole Pete, but he hasn't released a game on PC or consoles that I didn't think was fun as hell.  And his games are fairly casualized.

 



HappySqurriel said:
Squilliam said:

But how much of the Wiis current success is simply due to it being the most popular system? Do systems like the PS2 not prove that people for the most part get the sytem which is the most popular at the time? Perhaps really a lot which seperates the Wii from the other systems isn't 'Nintendo magic' but the fact that their system happens to be the most popular system and sales simply snowball from there. The Wii became popular because it had a different experience than the other two, but perhaps it stays popular due to being popular. The Wii simply makes Nintendo look really good just like the PS2 made Sony look really smart and intelligent until they well... weren't.

Do you think that Nintendo could start a heavy campaign (alongside their current strategy) in 2 years to target the "Hardcore" demographic by releasing several violent and "Mature" videogames and be highly successful? Don't you think you need some experience producing a certain kind of game to really understand why people like it, and don't you need some credibility with gamers to be highly successful with them?

 

Their lack of success with such hardcore games could be said to be a result of a different snowball effect. With so much stacked against them I doubt they will make much headway unless with a completely new and rebranded system. This same effect applies to Sony/Microsoft in that such dies have been cast already. Much of the credibility a system holds, is probably due to being what the social networks themselves have. Their success is a snowball of social credibility, the same credibility which would hold them back against the PS3/Xbox 360 as far as I can tell.



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Legend11 said:

Malstrom doesn't get it as well

From what I've read it appears that Malstrom may not understand what Microsoft is trying to do.  Project Natal is simply not a response to Sony.  Not once during the presentation was Sony even mentioned and Microsoft made it very obvious that they are targetting the Wii's new demographics.  As for the "whimper of the hardcore dreams", while it's very obvious that Microsoft is aiming this at the new audience they are not going to stop making Halo or Forza games and have indicated they will give the option of using motion-sensing with them.  This also goes for traditional multi-platform games so the hardcore will see HD games that use motion-sensing controls.

On the issue of porting, Microsoft is aiming to create experiences that differentiates its console from the competition.   This is much like the DS has done, so porting is likely the last thing they want.  As for third-parties making motion-sensing HD games from the ground up, if some are willing to make games for the PS3 with it's current installed base and made exclusives for the 360 during its first year, it's hard to imagine some not wanting to jump in and become the 360's "Wii Sports" if Microsoft's motion-sensing offering takes off.  It's also likely that Microsoft will offer incentives (advertising, free licensing, etc) to get the support they need since they'll have so much riding on the technology.


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Ummm, your trying to apply the Blue Ocean Strategy to Microsoft (or all things). Need I remind you that Microsoft can not win in a consumer based market. They sell to computer manufactures. They fail when they are in consumer driven industries (the 360 is their greatest success).

Just becuase Microsoft is targeting the market doesn't mean they will be succcesful (they won't). Also, Natal has no software. Why would third parties jump on it when there is, otherwise, no reason to buy it. There is only a tech demo that probably won't be an enjoyable game.

I think Malstrom is right, this product will never come out.



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Legend11 said:


Milo is the Teddy Ruxpin of videogames

 but that didn't stop many from asking why Milo wasn't a hot woman or calling it creepy that he was a boy.  What they fail to understand is that Milo is aimed at children and is meant to be like a Teddy Ruxpin for them. 


I think you're totally missing the point of what Lionhead is doing with Milo.  It CAN'T be an adult, because children's reactions are simpler and less nuanced than adults.  Making a believable adult is going to be WAY harder.  When the kid is like , "Hey I don't understand how to fish. Show me."  or  has a pouty expression when you have a bad tone in your face, it works.  If Milo is a a 42-year old car salesman, it's just weird.  

And it can't be a girl because, either way, you're going to have some sickos doing creepy things, but that number is going to be WAY smaller with a boy child than a girl child.  Plus, the males who drive the 360 software sales generally don't buy things with cute little girls on the cover (i.e. NOT boobalicious, half-dressed valkyries).  

It's NOT a Teddy Ruxpin - it's a tech demo to show where things are heading, and if it's going to have human interaction, which is Molyneaux's whole goal as a designer, then a young boy is the only logical choice.  the goal, of course, is to eventually have a Cortana who you can interact with.  But that's a LONG way off.  

The eye toy/Wii mote aspect of this is NOT why it's interesting to so many.  The controllerless menus and the like, if it could work with the accuracy of, say, a iPhone touchscreen?  That could change more than just gaming.  And if they could push the Milo-type software WITH the eyetoy-ish next generation hardware - well, think of how that changes everything from RPG's to video conferencing at work to educational applications, etc.  There's no doubt that a physical PC keyboard will eventually be a relic, just as the typewriter before it. 

 



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

Legend11,

 

You've done nothing but criticize the Wii ever since it came out... Now that Microsoft is going after the "casual" audience, you think its the greatest thing since curly fries. You should be a little more balanced in your fanboyism.

 



I agree Microsoft has the most heart this generation.



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