Natal sounds great, I just want to say that. But it is being hailed as a savior to the Xbox 360 and a means to shift millions of consoles, sound familiar to anyone? That's because the 360 has had dozens of supposed saviors that turned out to be just games and gimmicks for the fanboys and never hitting the larger market.

Sorry to be so brutally honest.

Project Milo - The E3 presentation gave the audience the impression that you could talk to milo and he would understand you.  Peter himself later confirmed that Milo is unable to reconize speach but rather only detects inflection to make conclusions such as "user is asking a question".  Milo uses "tricks" as peter states to give the user the impression that Milo reconises you such as statments, "I really like that 'insert color' shirt you are wearing".  If you read multiple write-ups of those that interfaced with Milo you will notice that statement was given to each and every person.  However, if you asked milo a question like, "Milo, did you like Microsoft's E3 presentation" he doesn't respond at all.

Natal - they stated "you are the controller" leaving the impression that controllers are obselete.  A day or two later an interview confirmed there will be 3 types of games.  Natal/Classical controller/and hybrid.  This is an obvious admission that natal cannot fully replace a classical controller for all game types.  Honestly, if you think natal only games are going to be anything other than a "waggle-fest" mini-game collection your fooling yourself.

I wouldn't go as far as to say the demos were faked, but the live demos didn't go that well, and most of the software was demoed through videos or later hands-on that we just hear about without seeing.

While I don't know for sure (I don't think you do as well), I could give following explanations for your points above.

1. The whole foot thing is a bug with the way that demo was set up. He was standing still while the avatar was rotating. Hence the foot always kept lifting forward rather than rotating with the avatar. This could be an easy programming fix.

2. Everyone knows it wont hit till 2010 at this pint. Fall 2010 is the earliest release point

3. Milo was obviously a work-in progress. Much closer to the the finished product than a 2005 Killzone 2 "demo" for example.

4. MS is not doing this to go for hardcore gaming. There may be a feature that will appear in a hardcore game here and there but Natal is geared towards everyone.

We shall see. Now that microsoft had announced it they have to deliver. The video game industry is not as forgiving as other industries they are involved in. Should they fail to deliver and should it be a dissapointment, there will be consequenses. Just look at the 32X.

You just know it's going to succeed because 1. It's innovative fun 2. MS marketing.

also the more haters Natal gets on *this* forum, the more I feel it's going to be huge lol.

Huge in what way? Do you think they'll convert a large part of the Wii's audience to the 360? Do you think lots of hardcore games will use it significantly?

It's easier to complain about haters than to have an actual argument supporting the potential success of Natal.

1. Avatar mess up was a software issue.  Has to do with rotating the skeletal system.  Will definitely be fixed before release.  Looked pretty 1:1 to me on the Richochet videos I watched with celebrities.

2. Not sure what you are talking about.

3. I just don't see why people are getting worked up over the Milo demonstration.  Pete has answered on interviews just how the vocal responses are going to work. 

4. We do not know at this point.  Controllers can and will be used in conjunction with Natal.  This does not go against what they said during the conference because they were aiming at the 60% they said they could get into gaming with the absense of controllers.  Depends on how good their SDK is as to how well development houses can utilize the software.  I am sure MS will help subsidize costs in order to get more software.

Come up with some real issues for us to discuss.

Or the VirtuaBoy, PowerGlove, etc.

Exactly that, it's bound to happen when casual food like Natal comes around and is marketed in a good way.

Have u seen the videos on here?

http://www.youtube.com/user/xboxprojectnatal

You just know casuals are going to eat this up. No further arguments are needed really.