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Bobbuffalo on 05 June 2009
MontanaHatchet said:
Darc Requiem said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Darc Requiem said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Wow. Nintendo fanboys are convinced that fans of the HD consoles hate Malstrom because somehow, we're scared of the truth and his all-knowingness. The truth is that we're not blind and we can see how much of a jerk he is, while Nintendo fanboys just gush over everything he says. If anyone's blind, it's you guys.


Montana the majority of the responses to his article center around how much of a jerk he is. By in large, his points aren't addressed at all. What other impression do you think would be given with that being the case. Malstrom does come off a dick in this article, but saying he is a dick doesn't and nothing else show's that you believe he's right because you can't post a suitable counter argument.

It's because no one really cares about his points. At the end of the day, it's the same shtick over and over. You could just replace entire Malstrom articles with "hardcore gamers are dumb," and it will still have about the same value. Most of his detractors in the thread don't feel like arguing his points. I agree with him anyways; "hardcore gamers" are usually idiots. But his condescending style of writing is simply rotten, and it rubs off on his fans. And it shows (e.g. your post).

I disagree. Malstrom, dick he may be, has been right the majority of the time. All the "hardcore" gamers whining about his articles and ignoring the points he brings up are just proving his characterizations of them. Call the guy a dick, break down his points, and post a decent counter argument. If you aren't going to do that. Ignore any posts or articles by him and stop giving him so much attention.

He's been right about things...doesn't affect what I'm saying at all. You seem to be missing the points of all my posts, and the ones by others. I'll repeat it in capital letters since you guys don't seem to get the point.

WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT HIS POINTS. SOME PEOPLE DO, AND FEEL FREE TO ARGUE WITH HIM. THE REST OF US ARE POINTING OUT THE ABSOLUTE WORSHIP OF A MAN WHO DOES NOTHING BUT POST NEGATIVE ARTICLES ABOUT THE PS3 AND 360 AND THE PEOPLE WHO PLAY THEM. HE'S CONDESCENDING, PRETENTIOUS, AND ROTTEN.

It's like talking to a wall. Whenever we point out how much of a conceited jerk he is, it seems most Nintendo fans just counter by claiming that we can't argue his points. We don't want to; it's just the same drivel over and over. But I'm sick of his articles being posted. They're flamebait half the time, and they're from someone who clearly thinks way too highly of himself. The more attention he gets, the more conceited he becomes. I'd love to ignore his articles if they weren't posted all the time.

Then why do you bother to reply in the first place?

did it perjudice you in some way?

does it offends you?

if you say that you don't care that you hate people "worships" him, then why you are posting such nonsense?

I hate Kaz hirai,. He's waaay much a dick than Malstrom (yesh he may be so?) but i won't go to the sony boards to say he sucks and you are whatever because you love him just because.

That would make me a troll.

JUST LIKE YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.

If you don't have anything constructive to say then get out.



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Squilliam on 05 June 2009
johnsobas said:
yea that was pretty horrible but he had a good point, 3rd parties can't port to all consoles like before. 360's and ps3's motion controls can't really be ported to one another and can't be ported to PC either. Wii to PS3 seems like the only option, but you can guess what the lead platform is gonna be and that's not gonna sit well with PS3 owners.

At least one of the middleware producers for Wii M+ is being used for Sony's mote.



Tease.

bluesinG on 05 June 2009

I agree that Malstrom's writing style is often obnoxious. However, the basic argument that he's making boils down to this:

1. The 360 and PS3 motion-control interfaces are quite different from each other.

2. The PC does not have a motion-control interface.

3. Therefore, it would be very difficult to port motion-controlled games across the 360, PS3, and PC. (From 1 and 2.)

4. It's important for third-party developers to make profit from their games.

5. Because HD games are expensive to develop, it's very difficult to make a profit from them if you don't release them on multiple platforms.

6. Therefore, developers will not develop many motion-controlled games for the 360 or PS3. (From 3, 4, and 5.)

That argument makes sense to me, although I think Malstrom might be missing one thing here: Because the Wii and PS3 motion-control interfaces are rather similar, third-party developers may develop Wii-PS3 multiplatform motion-controlled games.

Or am I missing a major problem with Malstrom's basic argument here?



Squilliam on 05 June 2009
bluesinG said:
I agree that Malstrom's writing style is often obnoxious. However, the basic argument that he's making boils down to this:

1. The 360 and PS3 motion-control interfaces are quite different from each other.

2. The PC does not have a motion-control interface.

3. Therefore, it would be very difficult to port motion-controlled games across the 360, PS3, and PC. (From 1 and 2.)

4. It's important for third-party developers to make profit from their games.

5. Because HD games are expensive to develop, it's very difficult to make a profit from them if you don't release them on multiple platforms.

6. Therefore, developers will not develop many motion-controlled games for the 360 or PS3. (From 3, 4, and 5.)

That argument makes sense to me, although I think Malstrom might be missing one thing here: Because the Wii and PS3 motion-control interfaces are rather similar, third-party developers may develop Wii-PS3 multiplatform motion-controlled games.

Or am I missing a major problem with Malstrom's basic argument here?

1. The PS3 interface feeds off Wii M+ development. The middleware comany used for M+ is used for Sony. I cannot comment on what Microsoft is doing as it seems more internal.

2. The PC is less important than ever for the consoles. I doubt the PC market has expanded to nearly the same extent that the HD consoles have essentially starting from 0.

3. I don't think at this point it would matter. Programming is not the major expense with HD games and like the above, the PC is less important than it used to be. The legacy controls are still available as well.

4. It goes without saying really.

5. See above.

6. See above, but the cost of the controls will be marginal and the initial attempts will not need a large adoption as the console manufacturers would subsidise such development.



Tease.

Final-Fan on 05 June 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Actually final-fan, he admitted, after seeing one of his articles plagarized on another website, that he adds in himself for a reason, so as to watermark the article, by having the Malstrom character in his article another site can't just repost it as their own

That's a really terrible reason, considering how that format affects the work in question. 



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Arius Dion on 05 June 2009

Ok, we'll see who was right in the coming months and years. The question isnt is he a dick or not, but rather who'd be willing to bet against this guy? I mean the guy has been spot on for quite sometime.



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Alterego-X on 05 June 2009
Torillian said:
His whole argument falls on the idea that PS3 and 360 are going totally motion control next gen. I see nothing that would make me think that. 

Actually, not. 

His original arguement in a previous post was that Natal is vaporware, it is not a serious plan to imitate Nintendo, just a marketing strategy to have a nice E3 show, and pretend to be futuristic. Even if it will be released sometimes(he doubted even that), it will be only a token effort. (and Nintendo will destroy them with a more agressive WM+ support)

This post is a "what if" scenario for the unlikely case that Microsoft takes Natal seriously. He began with that:

"If these motion controls come out at the time they say, and do what they are supposed to, and even sell to the public, consider the ramifications."

 

I'm not sure that it is a good idea to post all of his blog posts here, often they are grabbed out of context. 

For example, you mentioned the concept of the "death of hardcore gaming". He already wrote several epic-sized articles on the subject of disruption (a business strategy, that's professionals already recognised Wii as a disruptor) , that explains why motion controls must take over the video game industry, and why the incumbrents, Sony and Microsoft won't be able to accomodate.

This blogpost is not his "proof" why hardcore gaming will die, it is just discussing why this particular news won't effect the previous situation, that he already wrote about.



MontanaHatchet on 05 June 2009
Bobbuffalo said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Darc Requiem said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Darc Requiem said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Wow. Nintendo fanboys are convinced that fans of the HD consoles hate Malstrom because somehow, we're scared of the truth and his all-knowingness. The truth is that we're not blind and we can see how much of a jerk he is, while Nintendo fanboys just gush over everything he says. If anyone's blind, it's you guys.


Montana the majority of the responses to his article center around how much of a jerk he is. By in large, his points aren't addressed at all. What other impression do you think would be given with that being the case. Malstrom does come off a dick in this article, but saying he is a dick doesn't and nothing else show's that you believe he's right because you can't post a suitable counter argument.

It's because no one really cares about his points. At the end of the day, it's the same shtick over and over. You could just replace entire Malstrom articles with "hardcore gamers are dumb," and it will still have about the same value. Most of his detractors in the thread don't feel like arguing his points. I agree with him anyways; "hardcore gamers" are usually idiots. But his condescending style of writing is simply rotten, and it rubs off on his fans. And it shows (e.g. your post).

I disagree. Malstrom, dick he may be, has been right the majority of the time. All the "hardcore" gamers whining about his articles and ignoring the points he brings up are just proving his characterizations of them. Call the guy a dick, break down his points, and post a decent counter argument. If you aren't going to do that. Ignore any posts or articles by him and stop giving him so much attention.

He's been right about things...doesn't affect what I'm saying at all. You seem to be missing the points of all my posts, and the ones by others. I'll repeat it in capital letters since you guys don't seem to get the point.

WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT HIS POINTS. SOME PEOPLE DO, AND FEEL FREE TO ARGUE WITH HIM. THE REST OF US ARE POINTING OUT THE ABSOLUTE WORSHIP OF A MAN WHO DOES NOTHING BUT POST NEGATIVE ARTICLES ABOUT THE PS3 AND 360 AND THE PEOPLE WHO PLAY THEM. HE'S CONDESCENDING, PRETENTIOUS, AND ROTTEN.

It's like talking to a wall. Whenever we point out how much of a conceited jerk he is, it seems most Nintendo fans just counter by claiming that we can't argue his points. We don't want to; it's just the same drivel over and over. But I'm sick of his articles being posted. They're flamebait half the time, and they're from someone who clearly thinks way too highly of himself. The more attention he gets, the more conceited he becomes. I'd love to ignore his articles if they weren't posted all the time.

Then why do you bother to reply in the first place?

did it perjudice you in some way?

does it offends you?

if you say that you don't care that you hate people "worships" him, then why you are posting such nonsense?

I hate Kaz hirai,. He's waaay much a dick than Malstrom (yesh he may be so?) but i won't go to the sony boards to say he sucks and you are whatever because you love him just because.

That would make me a troll.

JUST LIKE YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.

If you don't have anything constructive to say then get out.

I responded because I was sick of his articles, which are often nothing short of offensive. I have no idea what "perjudice" is supposed to be, but it does offend me. Not because I'm some Wii-hating hardcore gamer, but rather because I hate condescending people, and that's exactly what Malstrom is. Your 4th sentence is a grammatical mess, but I'll make an attempt at it. My posts aren't nonsense whatsoever, at least not nearly as much as your post (which is difficult to comprehend). As for your bit about Kaz Hirai, I don't really care about him. I appreciate his goofiness, but I'm not a big fan of the things he's done for the Playstation brand. If you find an article from Kaz Hirai where he talks about how the PS3 is the best console out there, how the others will die and fail, and how their fans are morons, feel free to flame him. I'll be right there with you. I never started a thread proclaiming that I hate Malstrom, and it wouldn't really be trolling except against people who are fans of his condescension (in which case the person(s) in question are probably just jerks). I have plenty of constructive things to say, but you've never seen me vehemently defending Kaz Hirai or Shane Kim or any other PR for the HD consoles, so the only biased one is you. Please, get out.



 

 

Darc Requiem on 05 June 2009

Bobbuffalo beat me to it. I was about the post something similar. If no one cared about Malstrom's points, then why is this thread so long. Awful lot of responses for a subject no one cares about. If youthink the guy is a troll, why continue to feed him? Just ignore him or any posts related to him.



Torillian on 05 June 2009
Darc Requiem said:
Bobbuffalo beat me to it. I was about the post something similar. If no one cared about Malstrom's points, then why is this thread so long. Awful lot of responses for a subject no one cares about. If think the guy is a troll, why continue to feed him.

It's not like this is the first thread put up about this guy.  I've been here a decent amount of time, and I have ignored Malstrom all throughout it, but I'm sick of all the praise the guy is getting.  Wii fans see him as the second coming of Nostradomus, it's annoying.  If someone gets quoted over and over again eventually you'll get sick of it and decide to speak out against him, and that's the point I am at.



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