I would also put stock in the "No Zelda" theory, too. Not as a way that Nintendo is at fault, but because gamers go into E3 with certain expectations from each company. They like to be surprised, but they like to get what they went in wanting to get, too. Sony and Microsoft delivered that: games that we knew about, but had few details on, like ODST, Uncharted 2, MAG, SC: Conviction, GT5, Forza 3, GTPSP, etc, etc. People got what they wanted out of this E3 from Sony and Microsoft

People went into this E3 expecting New Zelda and Pikmin 3, and got neither. The facts of the other games don't really matter. They might be nice, but they're not what they wanted.

Now, last year's conference was much worse, but in that conference again, expectations were denied. The rumors flew for Kid Icarus Wii, and they were denied, and so rage ensued.

That's what it is. In their E3 of surprises, Nintendo defied expectations, and so got smacked down.

The games Nintendo listed shot up my most wanted list fast, first probably being Golden Sun to be honest, and Galaxy 2 being a close second.  But anyone that is a gamer, went into E3 expecting Zelda should have been slapped in the face by that Metroid Other M announcement, and should be satisfied especially since Miyamoto did talk about it, gave a little info, and told them why it wasn't on demo, cause it would waste time and delay the game from getting to the gamers.

Nintendo trying to support the gamers +1

They don't need to do anything.

The solution to this problem lies in the progression of competition in the industry. I could foresee months in advance that Nintendo would have a hard time this E3. You can see it in people's expectations, in 2004 most people were absolutely past looking at Nintendo closely. Because they weren't a market leader then, people came to accept things more quickly. Prior to this E3 however the sentiment was "they better", this can only lead one place no matter what is done.

If you think about 2004 the only thing that wowed gamers was Zelda. That was one game. If they were to do that today it would never work, gamers would look at the visuals, at the art style, at the design choices. Some of them would find it too similar to past Zeldas, others would find it too different. So there's no winning when you're in the "they better" position. Nintendo's negative momentum from last year wasn't the sinking feeling kind of 2003. I get the sense this year that(sinking feeling) was more prominent, because even though Nintendo announced the core games, people subconsciously or not, are coming to the realization that this is at base a small company.

Nintendo focused on making sure this is transparent, for instance Metroid Other M being handled by Team Ninja, and Miyamoto's remarks about Zelda. With the way expectations were a lot of people were imagining Zelda would be practically ready by now, this E3 is sort of like 2003. I'm not saying next year will be great, but in terms of the theme it's very much like 2003. It's a reality check for people looking up to Nintendo to lead in a resourceful way. Nintendo can't satisfy the collective consciousness without going through this period of level-headed disappointment.

Which by the way is not what happened last year. Last year it was anger, not disappointment. This year the mission will be to get expectations in line with what's realistically Nintendo's functions. People are being overserved(by other companies), yet instead of moving along they insist in demanding from Nintendo things they will not do. To become things they are not.

Another thing they could do, actually, is simply make the Wii HD.

I know you may find this a little pointless, you might think people will say "oh, they're late to the game".But do not believe that would be the case necessarily. Many people want HD content, and only HD content. Switching back and forth makes everything look both better and worse. And you can derive from that a lot of the separation we're seeing.

However I know Nintendo won't do this, so the real answer is they need another scape goat. The moment when the Wii was accepted was the moment the PS3 price was announced(along with Sixaxis in an arrogant fashion, which raised the likability factor for Nintendo). They need one of their competitors to screw up amazingly and in a way that relates to them. THIS would do it. I guarantee it.

But you cannot plan that can you? At least not Nintendo.

Ok, Nintendo has just sent your virgins, here they are:

1. right, because ubisoft and capcom, major PS3 third parties, are the only 3rd parties worth knowing.

2. look up the word "expansion". dont put that word and "old audience" in the same sentence, its confusing.

now show me proof that nintendo's old audience is no longer loyal to them (no, you don't count), and that it's unhappy with the 20something franchises still active or being brought back to life since the old days. sony makes new IPs because it HAS to. its first party franchise list pales in comparison to nintendo's.

3. Nintendo covers: plenty of Racing, excessive Platformers, decent Action-Adventure, a few RPGs, a little FPS, some Music & Rhythm, bit of Fighting, Flying, Strategy, some Sports. Hmm. yea, i think ill be just fine playing these 10 genres (plus third party stuff) over and over again. theyre not going to do the games you are suggesting (hackslash, sandbox, bloody FPS) because they want to keep their image.

4. wow, so nintendo could just buy up billion dollar companies with hundred million dollar net income? didnt realize it worked that way. besides, third parties kind of have to agree to being bought out. as for nintendo being "outrageously greedy"... hm, we're looking at three companies... nintendo is a for-profit pure gaming company. sony is a media conglomerate that entered the games race only because they saw (from nintendo's experience) that it was a profitable market. and microsoft only entered so the other two wouldnt take away customers from their PC. nintendo looks like a kitten compared to these two.

god, why cant you just say "nintendo wont please me, because im a fanboy", and leave it at that, instead of making up reasons for not having a wii. you look stupid because your arguments have too many holes. and its not like youd get a wii anyway.

Nintendo pleases millions of people around the world... these people are not commenting on forums, these people do not run videogames blogs, and a large part of these people don't even know about E3...

On the net, you have a group of a few tens of thousands people, thinkin' they know what videogames HAVE to be... i call that group "the videogames ayatollahs", cos' they react exactly like any group of religious fanatics...

That group has tried for the last three years to put negative spin on Wii in every way possible, and the Wii's success has had only one result: more and more frustration, as their "point of view" has absolutely no impact on the "real world"...

That frustration will now express whenever they have an opportunity, making their claims even worse than ever before...

And you know what? The millions of people pleased with Nintendo's consoles don't care, because they will never read anything from that group of "hardcore integrists"... they just play, and maybe want some infos on the best available games, and that's it... all the rest is a futile battle, a "war" not worth figting for if you're a Nintendo lover...

I'm the kind of guy who reads gaming sites and gaming blogs, and sometimes, i want to answer to the most stupid comments i see, and God knows they are THE most stupid i've ever seen in my life... but everytime, i prefer to say to myself, "let these guys lose their time, and don't waste yours..."

So far, i'm glad the Wii had something totally different to offer: what would be the point of having three consoles with the exact same features and the exact same library? One console would then be enough, and it would make the development of games way easier for all the 3rd parties...

And to put is simply: without the wiimote, Sony and Microsoft would never had released any motion-based controls as well, so all the videogamers out there will benefit (once again) from the innovations introduced by Nintendo... they're the ones who took risks, and i think it's normal they now have success...

1 - Only Capcom and Ubisoft? Joke post I presume.

2 - Don't put words on my mouth, never said they're no longer loyal. Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit and Wii Music just aren't target towards that audience. You got me wrong.

3 - That's bad, because some of these games Nintendo doesn't even care if they exists. Star Fox, Pilotwings, F-Zero, Excitebike, Wave Race, 1080 and Donkey Kong are the best examples.

C'mon, you're acting like the doomsday gonna happen if Nintendo do the games I suggested.

4 - They're one of the richiest companies of Japan. Yes, they don't have the money Sony and Microsoft have as whole company, but still, they have a large sum of money. I'm not suggesting Nintendo would buy them all, it's just an example of Nintendo wealth. Once again you got me wrong.

Just for your information, I'm a Nintendo fanboy, but I'm a gamer as well and I'm not gonna overzealously agree with everything they do, unlike you. You just need to open your mind.

1. well, you certainly went out of your way to describe the PS3-pro third parties. aside from that, activision has not disputed a wii version of MW2

2. well, then show me proof that the old audience is unimpressed with what nintendo is doing.

3. star fox, F-zero, excitebike, and DK were on consoles last generation and this generation. theres no evidence nintendo tossed them away. aside from that, nintendo has revived punchout and rumoured kid icarus.

4. i also said nintendo isnt rich enough to buy out multi-billion dollar companies unless they go under (example: rare)

so do you. youre asking nintendo to do absolutely ridiculous things to please YOU. im happy with the way things are. and honestly, if you knew anything about nintendo, youd at least know theyll never go past a T rating just as disney wont do an R rated movie. and in case you havent noticed, we're all gamers here

I said it in a other thread before. If my nephew didn't wanted a Wii for Wii sports, SMG, Metroid why would he one for Wii sports resort, SMG 2, new metroid.

Nintendo did a good job to please their fans (except the Zelda lovers and pikmin 3 fans) but didn't announced a new game IP or a game from a franchise that is not on the Wii yet that the haters crowd wants.

Nintendo did a better job with the DS that is also why their is a lot less hate against the DS than the Wii.

Are you trying to start the end of the world?  How could you suggest such a disaster?