The gaming press are getting really annoying too. They slag off the Wii for its motion control, yet now the HD twins have it, theirs is the best thing since sliced bread. Total hypocrisy. I saw an article from Fox news too. Seems like the mainstream press is getting in on it too now. Also, a few posts ago someone said the reason the Wii was getting hate because it gets no big western 3rd party games. I don't buy that. How can that be the Wii's fault? Surely that is the fault of the third parties.

Well, with all the 'OMG look at the graphix' comments and polygon comparison threads... you might get the idea that all that matters to HD gamers is how a game looks. And that would be favoring wrapping over substance.

I can assure you my good man darth, the hate will not stop no matter how much games the wii gets. It is hated because the company who designed the console is called "Nintendo". Guaruntee if the Wii was made by Sony/Microsoft, the fanboys would not be hating and Sony/MS would be so awesome for making such an innovative console. But because it's Nintendo, suddenly its a disgrace to mankind and should be torched.

@ peachbuggy. I am inclined to agree with you here. The sheer immaturity among some people is disgusting.

Also. I feel i must apologize to anyone who was offended by my rant on page 3. I am sorry, it was not my intention to be so insulting. I just cannot stand such ludacris behavior from some human beings.

because nintendo insists in having a (stupid) "family aproach".
They rather keep their name clean from people saying they have oh so "violent and horrible" games, and have them say their inocent and their family friendly...

srsly, wtf?

Also, nintendo pissed off their fans last year, like, badly, at the E3.

Reggie: "Yeah...I like that" No we don't Reggie. (referring to last years E3)

because that is what hatters do

I agree with the whole shovelware on Wii. They suck, yet their purpose is bring in novice gamers. I have mix feelings about this, okay less great games on the Wii for us experience gamers, but a smart business tactic for the industry to grow. So I learned to dealt with some (to an extend) sacrifice to be made to wait so LONG for games that High Voltage Systems are bringing.

Now that the other companies are following the same path as Nintendo's doing, I will feel very sorry for the experienced gamers out there have to go through the same thing that us Wii owners ENDURED (hopefully see the light in at end of the tunnel).

PS. I feel sorry for your biased opinion towards the Wii. I'm an avid Mario fan, but I sure don't have any grudge against the Microsoft nor Sony.

Mario-fan from the Caribbean.

The Wii hate is just an extension of the "Nintendo Hate" that has been evident in a lot of game journalism and game analysis since before the Gamecube launched ...

When I first started to notice the "hate" it was an obvious double standard when it came to the kinds of content Nintendo was delivering to their systems ... When Nintendo would release a Mario, Zelda, Banjo Kazooie, Donkey Kong, Star Fox (or other classic series that has a lot of demand) critics would always discount the games because (while they were great games) they were obviously made for young childrent; this criticism never found its way into reviews for Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Sonic the Hedgehog, Dark Cloud, or (pretty much) any other similar game made by any other company. At the same time, Nintendo never received any kudos when they published games like Perfect Dark, Golden Eye, Eternal Darkness (or any other game that couldn't be classified as being "Kiddie").

After Sega was forced into being a third party publisher, the main "Hate" argument changed from Nintendo being kiddie to Nintendo is doomed ... The Gamecube's cancelation was always around the corner and Nintendo was going to start developing games for Sony and Microsoft's consoles. The Nintendo DS was never considered to have a chance to beat the "Superior" PSP, and even as its sales took off the DS's decline (and the PSP's rise) was always just around the corner. This has continued into the Wii's generation but we're already seeing a fairly major shift in the argument again ...

Since you can't (exactly) argue that the market leader, who has several years of operating expenses in cash, is doomed the argument has changed to "Nintendo isn't for real gamers" and "Nintendo is killing videogames" ...

What a stupid question. Is everyone supposed to love the system and not complain about anything. It is much more healthy to have a portion of gamers piss and moan then universally praise something.