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JaggedSac on 03 June 2009

The difference betweent Natal and the EyeToy is quite apparent. Natal can map a person's whole skeletal structure into 3D space using a sensor and processor designed specifically for that purpose. You could make an exact replication of the Tron disc game using Natal. The area where you're playing in the game would directly relate to the area in your real surroundings. You can move around in it and the character in game would mimic exactly what you do. If the disc is coming forward and to the right, walk forward and to the right and grab the disc when it comes. Now throw it. Natal will be able to detect you finger movements so the disc can be released by exactly how you would throw a disc.

The EyeToy would have no chance in hell at completing this since all of its processes revolve around algorithms dealing with 2D data. This pixel is different so something must have happened. Even the suggestion that the EyeToy can do what this thing can do is immediately laughable by anyone who understands how they function. The man turning around and showing the bottom of his shoe was an example of the skeletal system being mapped to 3D(obviously they have not worked out how to determine exactly when the skeletal system is rotating, which is what caused the skeletal system to go crazy).

Discs of Tron - online, diving, throwing, making sure not to fall through the destroyed ring sections. You heard it here first folks. If no one does this and they release the API to XNA, I sure as hell will make it.



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Dryden on 03 June 2009
JaggedSac said:

The difference betweent Natal and the EyeToy is quite apparent. Natal can map a person's whole skeletal structure into 3D space using a sensor and processor designed specifically for that purpose. You could make an exact replication of the Tron disc game using Natal. The area where you're playing in the game would directly relate to the area in your real surroundings. You can move around in it and the character in game would mimic exactly what you do. If the disc is coming forward and to the right, walk forward and to the right and grab the disc when it comes. Now throw it. Natal will be able to detect you finger movements so the disc can be released by exactly how you would throw a disc.

The EyeToy would have no chance in hell at completing this since all of its processes revolve around algorithms dealing with 2D data. This pixel is different so something must have happened. Even the suggestion that the EyeToy can do what this thing can do is immediately laughable by anyone who understands how they function. The man turning around and showing the bottom of his shoe was an example of the skeletal system being mapped to 3D(obviously they have not worked out how to determine exactly when the skeletal system is rotating, which is what caused the skeletal system to go crazy).

Discs of Tron - online, diving, throwing, making sure not to fall through the destroyed ring sections. You heard it here first folks. If no one does this and they release the API to XNA, I sure as hell will make it.

Read the link I just posted above.

The PlayStation Eye is a camera.

The Natal "eye" is, for lack of an official description, being hinted as something like an array of laser range-finders.



NJ5 on 03 June 2009
Dryden said:
It is worth noting that Johnny Chung Lee, the CMU wiz of Wii headtracking/YouTube fame, works for MS on Project Natal now.

http://procrastineering.blogspot.com/2009/06/project-natal.html

Again, I want to see this in a real application and not one of MS's 'vision' videos. That said, if Johnny Chung Lee is impressed by MS's tech, than I am impressed too. He breaks down a bit more about *how* it works and identifies people in the "cloud" on his blog.

Johnny Lee is great at technical stuff and thinking of new technical possibilities, but not at applying them to actual games as far as I've seen.

 



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mrstickball on 03 June 2009
Leonidus said:
Lol at these Autumn reports.
When did Sony say Home would come out?

Microsoft isn't Sony. They're not in the habit of promoting something that is years off.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Leonidus on 03 June 2009
mrstickball said:
Leonidus said:
Lol at these Autumn reports.
When did Sony say Home would come out?

Microsoft isn't Sony. They're not in the habit of promoting something that is years off.

There's a first time for everything



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megaman79 on 03 June 2009
mrstickball said:
Leonidus said:
Lol at these Autumn reports.
When did Sony say Home would come out?

Microsoft isn't Sony. They're not in the habit of promoting something that is years off.

and if thats the case, where are the games?


throwing paint and dodge ball does not sound like its going to be here within a yr



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Demotruk on 03 June 2009
mrstickball said:
Leonidus said:
Lol at these Autumn reports.
When did Sony say Home would come out?

Microsoft isn't Sony. They're not in the habit of promoting something that is years off.


Yes, yes they are. Longhorn, Windows 7.



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Munkeh111 on 03 June 2009
mrstickball said:
Leonidus said:
Lol at these Autumn reports.
When did Sony say Home would come out?

Microsoft isn't Sony. They're not in the habit of promoting something that is years off.

Like Alan Wake...

 

Just out of interest, do you Natal fans see GeoW 3, releasing fall 10, which according to you is after Natal, using this? Or for that matter any shooters? And who here is going to drive without a steering wheel? I just think some sort of peripheral is needed most games

Also, I agree that the Sony job was last minute, but I think that their tech is a lot more practical, though less impressive



badgenome on 03 June 2009
Demotruk said:
mrstickball said:
Leonidus said:
Lol at these Autumn reports.
When did Sony say Home would come out?

Microsoft isn't Sony. They're not in the habit of promoting something that is years off.


Yes, yes they are. Longhorn, Windows 7.

No, they are not! South Park XBLA, Peter Jackson's Halo project!



Bladeforce on 03 June 2009

Err I am in the UK and havent seen a thing about this. Overhyping seems to be a common flaw in any Microsoft and PS3 thread. Isnt it funny how motion controls are all of a sudden the best thing ever when this time yesterday it was crap? LOL



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