Right then... let the real debate begin.

Press conferences have happened, which one takes the pole position, GT5 or Forza 3?

How bout wait until one of them comes out?

We still don't know much about either of the. One is coming out this year, one might not be.

GT
http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/movie/d3284.html

Fz3
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/50000.html

If you are talking about sales, it's going to be GT5. GT5 Prologue has sold almost as much as Forza 2, and it's basically just a demo for GT5.

If you are talking about the better game, well, no one knows anything about either game yet, so it's still way too early to tell.

both will be awesome and both will hurt my wallet big time.

There was NOTHING shown on GT5 , just a short teaser cgi trailer.

Although what was shown on forza was phenomenal , we cant begin to compare one game that didnt show up to one that did.

imHO im gonna give it to forza. Car models look better and the lighting is superb. Not to mention organic environments. Hands down Forza looks better. However GT has more cars so its a toss up.

However if i had to pick one i would without a doubt say Forza looks like the better racer

From the videos we have seen.
GT5>Forza3, by a lot.

From the content we have heard of...
GT:Portable > Forza3

I know GT5 will beat down Forza 3, its inevitable to Gran Turismo fans like myself.
You can't tell right now though, not enoughs been shown