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1337 Gamer on 03 June 2009

lol obviously the amazing technology and the potential of the natal is lost on you just because you dont want to believe that microsoft have completly left the PS3 behind and are trying to create a NEW experience for gamers dosnt mean it hasnthappened. Nintendo will keep on keepin on with WM+ and SONY will continue to try and copy everything nintendo does to try and gain market share which it will not gain. only way it can do that is to drop the price to $199. M$ is attempting to differentiate itsekf from the wii and the PS3 and do something revolutionary.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 03 June 2009
dahuman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
dahuman said:
Stage, only to non tech savvy people would it seem that impressive, voice is done by software, any camera can scan full body, the difference is the tech in natal is high frame rate capture, not quiet as good as slow cam, but enough to capture general human movements fast enough with good precision at a higher resolution. all it is, is a pretty decent camera with a mic attached to it, rest is all software driven.


It doesn't matter dude. That Milo game was only the beginning of a new era in HD motion sensing games.

and what I'm trying to tell you is that it's just a more advanced version of the PSEye, don't hype it up only to fall disappointed soon, it's not worth it, better to keep it low.

The PS eye needed a wii-mote looking sensor just to get the job done. Try this on for size...Natal can scan all four limbs properly in game. This means you can create more variety and innovation than the wii and Sony combined.



nightsurge on 03 June 2009
ssj12 said:
nightsurge said:
Hmmmmm... considering that Sony's controller does not allow a character to move whatsoever, and can only be used if you have or buy a PS Eye as well, and it only maps one single point of movement, it is in last place.

Natal can at least track your entire body, or multiple bodies, and interpret your voice or face for simple commands.

The WMP is definitely the current leader. I think Natal is targeting a different audience, though. If you paid attention to the conference, Natal is all about targeting the 60% of households that still do not have a games console. It is about making the games so incredibly fun and intuitive that even people who won't go near the Wii will give it a try. The Wii relies on a controller and buttons. Some people still find using the controller a difficult/confusing/intimidating task and are turned off by it. Trust me, I've seen people even suck at Wii type games and if you think these kinds of people don't exist, you are ignorant.

So, in reality for the current market WMP is the leader. For the new market, there will be 2 leaders. The Wii taking the ones who can and will use a controller, Natal taking those that still haven't gotten into gaming because of the roadblock that is the controller to them. Sony's attempt will be last because it can't even match the Wii since there is nothing on it that enables you to move your character, it requires the use of the dated tech that is the PS Eye, and only tracks one point (Wii tracks 2 points, Natal tracks whole body).

wow.. do you even know the tech in the PS Eye? The Natal is more advanced but the PS Eye can do everything the Natal can do just not in as grand of a scale which is why it needs something like Sony's wand.

I will straight up say the Natal vs PS Eye the Natal is a clear winner by a mile but if its PS Eye + Sony's wand then Natal is screwed.

Nope.  The PS Eye can not handle tracking more than simple color changes in 2D space.  The Wand allows them to track one point in 3D space.

Natal can track your entire body and even multiple bodies, plus understand your voice and recognize your face, all in 3D space.  The only advantage the Sony motion controls has is the buttons, but again, as I explained, Natal is not meant to target the same people who already enjoy the Wii for it's motion controls with joystick and buttons.



CAL4M1TY on 03 June 2009

Okay well I haven't managed to find the IGN article that says it doesn't work.

But I did find the IGN page for Milo at:
http://au.xbox360.ign.com/objects/143/14354412.html

None of the "latest articles" have any word on how the IGN crew's demo went down...

Seriously, there's grasping at straws and then there's making crap up. I'm not sure how well Milo will work either, but at least I'm not going out and saying it won't work with false evidence.



dahuman on 03 June 2009

1337 gamer, the thing is, I've been thinking for awhile about these tech and why Nintendo didn't go these routes, because the tech was already there. The more I thought about it, the more I understood that these most probably have been through Nintendo's R&D divisions already. They have made a controller that you can use for almost any game based on the main controller that is the Wiimote, everything is revolved around that remote itself, you plug everything into it(nunchuck, classic controller, wheel, zapper, now WM+.) the only 2 things not involved with it are the wiispeak and the wii balance board. in short, they really did their research, and they are ingenius in the most evil way possible from a marketing perspective. The Wii is just an upgraded Gamecube, it's not about the Wii itself at all, it's all about the Wiimote, how fucking crazy is that?



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dahuman on 03 June 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
dahuman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
dahuman said:
Stage, only to non tech savvy people would it seem that impressive, voice is done by software, any camera can scan full body, the difference is the tech in natal is high frame rate capture, not quiet as good as slow cam, but enough to capture general human movements fast enough with good precision at a higher resolution. all it is, is a pretty decent camera with a mic attached to it, rest is all software driven.


It doesn't matter dude. That Milo game was only the beginning of a new era in HD motion sensing games.

and what I'm trying to tell you is that it's just a more advanced version of the PSEye, don't hype it up only to fall disappointed soon, it's not worth it, better to keep it low.

The PS eye needed a wii-mote looking sensor just to get the job done. Try this on for size...Natal can scan all four limbs properly in game. This means you can create more variety and innovation than the wii and Sony combined.

I see nothing but disasters for future devs, and I'm usually right.



bardicverse on 03 June 2009
ssj12 said:

 Imagine a sword game when while you do have a joystick to do m assive large scale movement. If your bring charged you just take a step to the left, stick the wand aka sword in game out, and the moronic AI charging you rams his head into the sword blade while you side stepped in real life while moving the controller into position for where the sword ingame would be to accomplish the scene I just made up.

I'm glad you bring this up, everyone else seems to have no input on this matter.

 

Let's take your situation, as described. Now lets say the enemy Ai realizes it's losing and runs away (a common Ai feature since Half Life). Using the Sony system, how do you run after him?

 

Since the camera is using localizes space (as opposed to dual lenses for the Natal), Nintendo theoretically has a camera coming out as well - from Ubisoft. As explained in the Ubi conference, Ubi and Nintendo worked closely together to make the camera. This camera was shown off having full-body motion as well. So theoretically, the Wii has everything lined up this year that Sony intends to release next year, but also has the nunchuck for player movement on top of that



ssj12 on 03 June 2009
nightsurge said:
ssj12 said:
nightsurge said:
Hmmmmm... considering that Sony's controller does not allow a character to move whatsoever, and can only be used if you have or buy a PS Eye as well, and it only maps one single point of movement, it is in last place.

Natal can at least track your entire body, or multiple bodies, and interpret your voice or face for simple commands.

The WMP is definitely the current leader. I think Natal is targeting a different audience, though. If you paid attention to the conference, Natal is all about targeting the 60% of households that still do not have a games console. It is about making the games so incredibly fun and intuitive that even people who won't go near the Wii will give it a try. The Wii relies on a controller and buttons. Some people still find using the controller a difficult/confusing/intimidating task and are turned off by it. Trust me, I've seen people even suck at Wii type games and if you think these kinds of people don't exist, you are ignorant.

So, in reality for the current market WMP is the leader. For the new market, there will be 2 leaders. The Wii taking the ones who can and will use a controller, Natal taking those that still haven't gotten into gaming because of the roadblock that is the controller to them. Sony's attempt will be last because it can't even match the Wii since there is nothing on it that enables you to move your character, it requires the use of the dated tech that is the PS Eye, and only tracks one point (Wii tracks 2 points, Natal tracks whole body).

wow.. do you even know the tech in the PS Eye? The Natal is more advanced but the PS Eye can do everything the Natal can do just not in as grand of a scale which is why it needs something like Sony's wand.

I will straight up say the Natal vs PS Eye the Natal is a clear winner by a mile but if its PS Eye + Sony's wand then Natal is screwed.

Nope.  The PS Eye can not handle tracking more than simple color changes in 2D space.  The Wand allows them to track one point in 3D space.

Natal can track your entire body and even multiple bodies, plus understand your voice and recognize your face, all in 3D space.  The only advantage the Sony motion controls has is the buttons, but again, as I explained, Natal is not meant to target the same people who already enjoy the Wii for it's motion controls with joystick and buttons.

sigh.. last post... dahuman understands this just as well as I.. Sony's tech isn't low grade. It uses the same tech as their current controllers plus more. I am going to end posting here because this is becoming worthless restating the same thing over and over again. Dahuman is here so he can handle that.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 03 June 2009
dahuman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
dahuman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
dahuman said:
Stage, only to non tech savvy people would it seem that impressive, voice is done by software, any camera can scan full body, the difference is the tech in natal is high frame rate capture, not quiet as good as slow cam, but enough to capture general human movements fast enough with good precision at a higher resolution. all it is, is a pretty decent camera with a mic attached to it, rest is all software driven.


It doesn't matter dude. That Milo game was only the beginning of a new era in HD motion sensing games.

and what I'm trying to tell you is that it's just a more advanced version of the PSEye, don't hype it up only to fall disappointed soon, it's not worth it, better to keep it low.

The PS eye needed a wii-mote looking sensor just to get the job done. Try this on for size...Natal can scan all four limbs properly in game. This means you can create more variety and innovation than the wii and Sony combined.

I see nothing but disasters for future devs, and I'm usually right.

The two virtual demonstations were amazing. The video package with multiple styles and phases was even more promising. Believe what you will. I cannot wait.



nightsurge on 03 June 2009
ssj12 said:
nightsurge said:
ssj12 said:
nightsurge said:
Hmmmmm... considering that Sony's controller does not allow a character to move whatsoever, and can only be used if you have or buy a PS Eye as well, and it only maps one single point of movement, it is in last place.

Natal can at least track your entire body, or multiple bodies, and interpret your voice or face for simple commands.

The WMP is definitely the current leader. I think Natal is targeting a different audience, though. If you paid attention to the conference, Natal is all about targeting the 60% of households that still do not have a games console. It is about making the games so incredibly fun and intuitive that even people who won't go near the Wii will give it a try. The Wii relies on a controller and buttons. Some people still find using the controller a difficult/confusing/intimidating task and are turned off by it. Trust me, I've seen people even suck at Wii type games and if you think these kinds of people don't exist, you are ignorant.

So, in reality for the current market WMP is the leader. For the new market, there will be 2 leaders. The Wii taking the ones who can and will use a controller, Natal taking those that still haven't gotten into gaming because of the roadblock that is the controller to them. Sony's attempt will be last because it can't even match the Wii since there is nothing on it that enables you to move your character, it requires the use of the dated tech that is the PS Eye, and only tracks one point (Wii tracks 2 points, Natal tracks whole body).

wow.. do you even know the tech in the PS Eye? The Natal is more advanced but the PS Eye can do everything the Natal can do just not in as grand of a scale which is why it needs something like Sony's wand.

I will straight up say the Natal vs PS Eye the Natal is a clear winner by a mile but if its PS Eye + Sony's wand then Natal is screwed.

Nope.  The PS Eye can not handle tracking more than simple color changes in 2D space.  The Wand allows them to track one point in 3D space.

Natal can track your entire body and even multiple bodies, plus understand your voice and recognize your face, all in 3D space.  The only advantage the Sony motion controls has is the buttons, but again, as I explained, Natal is not meant to target the same people who already enjoy the Wii for it's motion controls with joystick and buttons.

sigh.. last post... dahuman understands this just as well as I.. Sony's tech isn't low grade. It uses the same tech as their current controllers plus more. I am going to end posting here because this is becoming worthless restating the same thing over and over again. Dahuman is here so he can handle that.

Lol, neither you nor dahuman knows what they are talking about.  See the post above yours.  The Sony controller does not allow you to move your character around in more than a localized space.  And I never said the tech was low grade, I merely told you exactly how the tech in the PS Eye works.  It tracks color changes in 2D space.  This new controller is simply a Wii-Mote without the nunchuck so you can do all the shooting type games and get 1:1 accuracy, but can't move any characters.  It also still only tracks that one spot in 3D space and anything else would be 2D space tracking.  The Wii tracks 2 points in 3D space, Natal tracks bodies, limbs, faces, hands, feet, torsos, etc.

I'm not trying to downplay Sony's tech, I'm just stating the actual situation here instead of trying to make it sound greater than it is.