Old annoying arguments are annoying and wrong :

Seriously I thought we were past this whole, Wii is not a gaming console crap...

Values of video games and video gaming

1. Affordibility - Consoles are (much) cheaper than gaming PCs. Affordibility has always been an important factor and one of the most obvious advantages of video games over computer games. In the last few years, how often have you heard or read that the 360 and PS3 are too expensive? Probably quite often. Sony and Microsoft ignored this value of video gaming.

The bottom of the line 360 is cheaper than a Wii.

2. Accessibility - "Pick up and play". Computer games always used to be more sophisticated than video games and usually had more complicated controls by using lots of keys on the keyboard. Video games were always simpler and required less buttons and less time. There were already controllers before the 360 and PS3 that featured a lot of buttons, but it became such a problem for these two consoles because most of their worthwile games require you to use almost all of these buttons. There's simply a lack of games that are easy to understand and that doesn't mean dumbed down games without any depth. It was a major misstep of Sony and Microsoft to forget about or ignore games for people who don't have the time to play extensive tutorials.

This has not been a standard since the 16 bit era and certianly not in the 32bit era. Are you really gonna tell me that the JRPGs from that gen (or most any game from the 32 bit era) were "pick up and play"?

3. Local multiplayer - This one logically follows the above two points. An affordable machine with accessible games that you can also play with your friends and family? Sounds like a great deal for your money. Where the Wii shines, it doesn't look so bright for the HD consoles. Local multiplayer is eliminated in a lot of games in favor of better graphics and online multiplayer. LAN is not an answer, it kills the affordibility.

All the current consoles have local multiplayer games. The Wii just has more.

These are the three major values of video games and the main reasons why people love them.

Glad to see the Wii and the Atari have so much in common.

well to be fair Rol was trying to say that the PS3 and 360 arnt consoles. In the end it dosnt matter people will believe whatever they want and we should leave them to their opinions

Actually he was saying the 360 and PS3 were trying to blur the lines between console and PC games and didn't really go long with the fundmentals of making a console for mass market.  Which in all fairness is true... MS and Sony have stated before they want to be the multimedia outlets in peoples homes with their consoles... it shows a lack of focus on making a cheap console, built for developing games on it, and in the past consoles never really came close to PC graphics, this gen was much closer. 

I do believe in to each their own however.  But saying a gaming console is not a gaming console is like saying the color orange isn't orange because it appeals to people more then maroon.

i never said the wii wasnt a console though??? I believe they are all consoles and each company marketed them differenty. just because the PS360 are also media centers does not make them less of a console.

Old annoying arguments are annoying and wrong :

Seriously I thought we were past this whole, Wii is not a gaming console crap...

Not you again capt. jack... I didn't say wii isn't a console, i said its a family console which is still a console, just not one met for you're normal solo/online gamer-type console.

Basicly its a console that can only truly be enjoyed to its maximum with other people to play with. As a solo unit if you own a PS3/360 along with a wii, most gamers WILL infact game on the PS3 or there 360 i know of very few who dont do this unless family is there to play aswell.. Though i suppose you would be one of them out of a limted amount. :D