Not true. It's 2020 if you include all the Palestinians living on the WB and Gaza, but who cares? Only the million Arabs that are citizens of Israel can change Israel from within, and the "demographic bomb" alarms have settled, becasue in the last decade the nativity numbers for Jews and Arabs have changed drastically.

A decade ago, every Israeli Arab woman made on average ~6 children, today that number is only 3.8-3.9 and decreasing.

And meanwhile the Jews have started making more babies, going from some 2.4 per woman to 2..8 children per woman. And that number is expected to increase, beacuse the ultra-religions 1 million of orthodox Jews is increasing in proportion, and their women make on average 6-7 children. So it will take at least 100 hundred years before Arabs within Israel are in the majority (and by then, many of them may have been convinced to leave Israel, by being "bought out" and have emigrated to other countries - like Sweden for example lol)

Hey, I only mirrored what he did.

Then you hopefully see as well, how ridiculous your opinion is in this case, when you compare a country with more then twice the square kilometres as England (alone) with 1/10th of the population digging their own grave by accepting the Maori. Actually the case is even more ridiculous, as the invaders, lost a war against the Maori, which led to a peace proclamation and the Maori being full citizens of the english governed New Zealand.

But actually, I think the Middle-East-conflict is way to important to bring up a discussion about New Zealand, which is not really correlated with this topic. Let's bring it back to a point where no politics are: let's bring it back to the people. I've been in Israel three times, had some seminars taught by Jewish-Israelis and went to Israel in an exchange programme with Israeli-Arabs.

Imagine, your parents had a field of olive trees, imagine it was your family's since hundreds of years. Then suddenly after thousands of years other people come there and claim it's actually theirs. They Build a road between you and your next town and tell you, that the olive trees are a no-go-area. How would you react? I would assume, by all the posts you made here, that you would want to get back your territory by whatever means it would take. So that's the Arab part.

Then there's the Jewish part. Your folks have been persecuted for hundreds of years and then there's the chance, after the worst thing that ever happened to any folk on this planet, that you get your original homeland back. Hell yeah you would go for it as well.

The problem which now appears is, that if you want to live your children in a non-hostile environment you got to find compromise solutions. And one option for that is definitely not to build new settlements, who create new anger.

What superchunk made perfectly clear in his post are the extreme positions, and in my opinion he was dead on with this.

It's not a big surprise. Israel wants to keep the settlements in so they have an extra barganning chip.

Even Israel doesn't want the majority of them there. They just know it's a chip they can hold on to.

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that's a very good point

Ok... if the Jewish Zealots are as evil as you always seem to claim they are... do you really expect them to just allow themselves to become a minority again?

Like seriously?  Personally i'd see it more likely that they'd let fear overcome them and they'll buy in to  the really right wing radical groups... and we'd end up with a sadly ironic Mini arab holocaust in the country created to make sure the holocaust never happened again.

Much how Palestine has let fear overcome them and ignore the fact that the people they've elected to be their government use them as human shields intentionally.  Like if they're going to be bombed intentionally make sure a bunch of them go out with them... and fire missles at civilians.'

Time is on nobodies side.

I would have to disagree. Its creating facts on the ground. There are many quotes from past Isreali PM's discussing the actual plan of slowly pushing Arabs out by means of these settlements. Just look at the progress of settlement growth. The most is slowly surrounding Jerusalem. This way when a solution does finally appear, the Jews can say that there is no way to give E. Jerusalem to Palestine as Jewish homes completely surround it.

That is why a total freeze is necessary, including the complete halt of 'natural growth'. The bigger they get the more resistant Israel will be to have them removed.

this really amuses me, continues to prove the point that Israel will never obey international law.

Off topic but... Is it even a good idea to give East Jersusalem to Palestine?

I mean... wouldn't it just end up like certain "battlegrounds" in Northern Ireland but a million times worse?  Wouldn't Palestine just become a complete disaster and unsafe area for anybody turning the holiest city in the world into the deadliest?

If it were me... I'd considering giving the city over to the UN and making it like Vatican city.

I'd say place the UN there... but that might be unsafe.  Perhaps the UN's second home... or a place where peace negotations between countries are made.  Considering an Israel Palestine settlement would be quite historic... it would all make good sense.

Funny that no one touched on this point...

Where does the president of the United States get off telling the leader of another country how to run there country?

Obama forced the primary lenders of Chrysler to take 30 cents on the dollar, just so he could sell off all there assent, and give the secondary lenders 50 cents on the dollar.

he in effect stole billions of dollars from one private entity, to give it to ones he wanted to. Do you see the Prime Minister of the UK demanding Obama give it back? If he did, can you image the look on Obama's face for the 5 seconds before he tells him to get the fuck out.

Leave the middle east, and let them do what they want to do. If it's kill each other for 4 thousand more years, then so be it.