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Slimebeast on 28 May 2009
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superchunk said:
Slimebeast said:
superchunk said:

Settlements need to be 100% halted and removed if illegal outposts in order for peace to actually be negotiated. Israel cannot expect peace and negotiations while they keep stealing land, it just doesn't work.

I hope Obama comes back with more of a tone that links full adherence w/ US funding. :) Israel needs US a lot more than US needs Israel.

Well, actually time is on Israels side. Soon all the refugees that were driven out of Israel in 1948 are dead, and no one can claim that they need be allowed to their homes, because they weren even born in Israel. And Israel just voted some hard-liners into the Knesset (espceially that tough Russian guy) who basically say to the Arabs: forget land for peace, now it's peace for peace!

The settlers will keep surrounding Jerusalem, that's the big goal. Israle don't care about Ramallah or Hebron really that much, it's all about securing Jerusalem as a Jewish united city. And once you got 500,000 Jewish 'settlers' all around Eastern Jerusalem that have lived there for decades, they can't be moved, not matter what UN or anyone says.

I'd say it's the other way around, the Palestinians can't expect Israel to stop settlements and the merging of Jerusalem, as long as Abbas can't control Hamas.

Time is the one thing definitely not on Israel's side. Isreali-Arab population far outpaces even the most religious zealot jew. I think the last projections stated that by 2020 or something Jews will be the minority AGAIN. So, its only a matter of time when the Arab vote is strong enough to control Israeli government decisions.

Also, with US showing real unbiased actions and siding more w/ Abbas, then the PA will gain more favor and Hamas will shrink.

Obama is, so far, doing the best he can for the situation. Just wish he could have been there before Bush and before this recent shift towards the right in Israeli politics.


Not true. It's 2020 if you include all the Palestinians living on the WB and Gaza, but who cares? Only the million Arabs that are citizens of Israel can change Israel from within, and the "demographic bomb" alarms have settled, becasue in the last decade the nativity numbers for Jews and Arabs have changed drastically.

A decade ago, every Israeli Arab woman made on average ~6 children, today that number is only 3.8-3.9 and decreasing.

And meanwhile the Jews have started making more babies, going from some 2.4 per woman to 2..8 children per woman. And that number is expected to increase, beacuse the ultra-religions 1 million of orthodox Jews is increasing in proportion, and their women make on average 6-7 children. So it will take at least 100 hundred years before Arabs within Israel are in the majority (and by then, many of them may have been convinced to leave Israel, by being "bought out" and have emigrated to other countries - like Sweden for example lol)