Stupid doubleposting.

(1) It only takes less than 4 hours to play through all four campaigns... if you're playing on a noob difficulty. Try it out on hard or expert. You'll take a hell of a lot more time, like you're supposed to.

(2) EVERY game's "next level" is a continuation from the previous! That's why it's the NEXT LEVEL. Because it comes NEXT, after what came BEFORE. It CONTINUES the story. It's not like they're not all different, seriously. Death Toll, for instance. First stage is along a toll road. Second stage is in a train yard. Drawing a blank on the third and fourth, but the fifth is at a boathouse on the ocean shore. Pretty sure that makes for different levels.

(3) Tekken's story may be more deep, but it's also much more complete nonsense. And that's my point about mentioning Tekken - fighting games have bad stories. Doesn't matter how deep they are; they're always bad. Don't get me wrong - fighters are one of my favourite genres, as should be evidenced by them making up the largest percentage of my game catalogue. I have every Mortal Kombat, Soul Calibur, Tekken, Smash Bros, and Street Fighter (save for 4, which I plan to get ASAP) game in my possession, in some way. And every single one has a bad story (although Street Fighter's is by and far the best).

@thetonestarr: Good points, yeah you're right it makes no sense arbitrarily not including the last stand. I don't think 90% of players are playing survival atm, but still.

add me on steam if you want to play l4d sometime. steam id is in my profile.

@Staude L4D levels are short because its focused on MP aspect than SP,If they were longer people would get bored,there team mates would be dead and no one would play the game.

lol 1. Regardless of what you're supposed to. I played it on hard and it took less than 4 hours. .. And you aren't "supposed" to play on any difficulty. Just because i play uncharted on easy doesn't make it last 4 hours, half life 2 doesn't last 4 hours, and all games doesn't last 4 hours.

The fact is that it's the same 4 hours of content that's used for both multiplayer, singleplayer and co-op.

The same 4 levels which each has 5 maps.

Also it's not a level it's a map. That's why i added " before and after level. Thers a difference between completing your objectives and just reaching a checkpoint.

And you do reach different areas troughout a level sure, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a continuation from your checkpoint and not a new level.

on fighters stories Tekken > what you mentioned combined.

Tekken doesn't only have a deep story, it's a story that evolve progresses and each char develops too along this story. If you knew it properly you .. quite probably wouldn't concider it nonesense. It's a great story that easily measures with the best of animes. You may think animes have nonesense stories but i'll tell you that plenty of people like them.

Not only that, it offers a lot more than the other games with it's ekstra games such as "tekken bowling, volleyball, tekken force, devil within" and various other "mini" games that's been in the series throughout.

@Garnett. No. They are short because the source engine doesn't like too big maps, and it's a good checkpoint break. It makes no sense for anyone to stop playing until they've completed the 5 maps, or the level. Infact if you do, you're being an asshole to the other players.

Thers no point in this argument really because we wont agree on the subject, you may think i'm wrong and i most certainly think you're wrong. But that's just how it is.

Afterall that's the foundation of most things. Opinions.

All i really said was that i thought it needed more levels and you all started flaming me. How can that be ? If i feel that the game needs more levels to warrent my purchase isn't my opinion valid ? isn't it okay that someone can have a difference that differs from yours ? because certainly you make it seem like someone cannot. Atleast not without getting attacked for it and "corrected" based on your own personal opinion.

Thing is, it's not four hours of content. The main point of the game is earning the achievements and playing online. Every experience is drastically different due to the AI Director. You are consistently going back to the Campaign-mode only in your argument, over and over. There are more gameplay modes than that, and when you go into Survival mode, you realize just how drastically different every stage actually is. And considering survival mode is what the vast majority of gamers play, it's safe to assume that it is the main concentration of the game, where the most gameplay will reside.


Also, the word is "extra".


Lastly, I like how you assume I haven't played every single Tekken game, even though I have. I also find it rather humourous that you blindly refuse to accept that the fate of the world resting on the outcome of a fighting tournament... SIX DIFFERENT TIMES... isn't a piss-poor plot. Your fanboyism is incredible.

What are you basing this on? I'd figure that campaign/versus are far more popular, at least going by how few people have the survival mode achivements on steam. The vast majority of my gameplay time and that of my steam friends is versus mode.

Mainly the crazy things people do in survival. Survival players find a ton of bugs and glitches that you don't see people doing on other modes. Ever been on top of the shelter next to the boathouse? If you push the picnic tables over next to the rocks, get 'em to the right angle, and jump then crouch, you can climb atop the shelter and the zombies end up moonwalking in an attempt to find you.

In nearly every stage, there are glitches that people have found that allow them to do all sorts of funny things. Have you ever seen a Tank just die out of nowhere, because it can't find the survivors?

Point is, none of these glitches popped up before Survival was integrated, even though they WERE possible. That's supporting point #1.

Number two = that a large number of people had lost interest in the game prior to survival's inclusion. Since that mode has been added, though, armies of players have re-entered the game. I used to play online and see the same people in game after game after game. Now I seldom do.

And three, if I go to survival, that aforementioned issue is least common. I can start new game after new game every five minutes and not see the same players twice for quite some time. I haven't been able to do that in versus or campaign (although versus DOES take exceptionally longer than campaign... I've almost given up on campaign online because I keep getting piss-poor players that nobody wants to play with, but they keep ending up in your games).

Remember though that they added two new campaigns for versus at the same time which people have been playing as well. I will look up achievement stats for survival when I get home tonight, but I remember them having very low completion rates, even for the easy ones.

Here are the simplest ones to get:

Survive 4 minutes on any level - 33% completion

Survive 7 minutes on any level - 23% completion

Survive 10 minutes on any level - 18% completion

Here's the most telling one:

Play The Last Stand survival level - 30% completion

That means that under 1/3 of Left 4 Dead owners have even played that survival level at least once.

source - http://steamcommunity.com/stats/L4D/achievements/

Actually, it doesn't mean that at all. It just means that The Last Stand is hella difficult to survive, which is most definitely true. Playing completely legitimately, The Last Stand is the hardest one for me to survive. I've made Bronze on quite a few of the stages legitimately, but The Last Stand, I have quite a bit of trouble doing. I have silver in it, but only because I used the chimney trick. ALMOST got Gold, but we all died out at 9:56:67. =|

Survival in general is hard. I play a ton of it, and I only have like six or seven bronze, four or five silver, and two gold.