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Viper1 on 27 May 2009

Yes, the PS3 overtook the Wii in Japan during the longest software drought ever on Wii. Had Wii remained at full sales levels the PS3 would not have outsold it at all.

If a console requires its strongest line up to outsell a console during its weakest line up then it's not really saying much.

Point still being that a dozen big games across 2.5 years has done little to put PS3 on top. It's doubtful the same theme over the next 2.5 will have any more dramatic effect.

You're also forgetting/ignoring any major software, feature or price cuts of the other consoles. You can't just assume they're going to sit still for Sony.



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txrattlesnake on 27 May 2009
Viper1 said:
Yes, the PS3 overtook the Wii in Japan during the longest software drought ever on Wii. Had Wii remained at full sales levels the PS3 would not have outsold it at all.

If a console requires its strongest line up to outsell a console during its weakest line up then it's not really saying much.

Point still being that a dozen big games across 2.5 years has done little to put PS3 on top. It's doubtful the same theme over the next 2.5 will have any more dramatic effect.

You're also forgetting/ignoring any major software, feature or price cuts of the other consoles. You can't just assume they're going to sit still for Sony.


     As I pointed out before, the software lineup we saw that put PS3 over Wii during that time is far from the strongest software lineup we're going to see coming to PS3.  I still believe that in the last two to four years of its life, the software both in quality and amount that we will see coming to PS3 will rival what was seen on PS2 during its peak years.



Viper1 on 27 May 2009

And the quality and amount of software coming to the other consoles is increasing as well. PS3 isn't in a vacuum. Because of this it won't be enough to suddenly put it way on top.

I'll put it bluntly. For PS3 to make great advances, it's going to require X360 and Wii to make great blunders.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 27 May 2009
txrattlesnake said:
thx1139 said:
txrattlesnake said:
thx1139 said:


Your kidding yourself thinking that the NextBox will launch higher than $400.  Sony showed what a mistake that was and MS will not repeat that mistake.  Not to mention why would publishers port NextBox games to the PS3 and ignore the 360 when the 360 will continue to be sold and already will have sold more than the PS3. 


     It will be an expensive console because it will need to be able to play third-party ports of nextgen pc games as well as the 360 plays Bioshock and Fallout 3.  Most western game developers are primarily pc developers that love to put their games on the most advanced tech and Microsoft has to come up with a system powerful enough to give western pc developers the proper incentive to put their games on the next microsoft console.

     Because when Nextbox comes out with games like exclusive Gears 3 people won't have much reason to pick up a 360.  Also, the next-gen multi-plat games if available on both 360 and 720 would cut into early adaption of the expensive at launch 720, thus placing it in a position at launch similar to the one the PS3 has been in so far this gen.  When Microsoft decides to bring out their next console it is in their best interest to kill off the 360 as quickly as they killed off original xbox.

 

 

Again this MS will kill off the 360 when the NextBox comes out.  Lets please understand the truth the reason MS stopped production of the original Xbox was because it cost more to produce than retail sales price.  That isnt the case with the 360.  You also believe that MS will stop 3rd party developers from creating software for the 360 because it will hurt NextBox sales.  Thats nuts.  MS wants to continue to make a profit on the 360 and 360 software well into the NextBox's lifetime.


       And as a result pull off what we've seen so far from PS3 on their next supersystem?  It will be the developers themselves that will pull off quite a bit of the third-party development from the 360 as I said earlier since many of them are western third-party pc developers that prefer to work on the most advanced tech.  During the transition from original xbox to 360 was bethseda still planning Elder Scrolls games to appear on original xbox?  What about Bioware, it seems like they sure were in a hurry to keep Mass Effect on original xbox, you didn't hear Epic decide that they wanted to put a version of Gears on the original xbox or THQ wanting to put Bioshock on original xbox either.

     Look at the traditional way of playing advanced pc games.  you buy a 1000+ dollar pc it can play the most advanced pc games for about a year, then by the end of the second year it can barely play any of the big new games coming to pcs, the third year you play whatever you can manage to squeeze out of it which usually isn't that much, and then at the end of that year, you have to buy another $1,000 pc.  Microsoft's plans always tend to follow a similar model.

Bioware made an RPG on DS too, thats REALLY advanced I must say!



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Viper1 on 27 May 2009

Bethesda has a Wii game coming and Valve wants to make a Wii game.

The "most advanced tech" argument should be a Wii Bingo panel now.



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txrattlesnake on 27 May 2009
Viper1 said:
And the quality and amount of software coming to the other consoles is increasing as well. PS3 isn't in a vacuum. Because of this it won't be enough to suddenly put it way on top.

I'll put it bluntly. For PS3 to make great advances, it's going to require X360 and Wii to make great blunders.


     If Gears 3 is going to be on 720 and the majority of the 360's biggest games in the future will be Rare games.  That is a boon to the PS3.

    And I don't think Wii 100 million

                                PS3 70 million

                                360 50 million

   puts ps3 on top of anything this gen except the hd consoles, but still that ensures a fairly long shelf life.



Viper1 on 27 May 2009

So Gears 3 leaving to X720 and Rare being your sole expectations for all big future X360 software is your big ploy for PS3 advancement?



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txrattlesnake on 27 May 2009
Viper1 said:
Bethesda has a Wii game coming and Valve wants to make a Wii game.

The "most advanced tech" argument should be a Wii Bingo panel now.


So, do you think all development of high-end pc games is suddenly going to stop to make way for Wii games?  And, if Valve and Bethesda make these games for the Wii and they don't sell anymore than 1/5th of what their ps3 and 360 titles have as  games like No More Heroes, Madworld haven't really sold that well in comparison to similar games on PS3, 360 then how do you think they would feel about making second and third games on the Wii?

 



txrattlesnake on 27 May 2009
MaxwellGT2000 said:
txrattlesnake said:
thx1139 said:
txrattlesnake said:
thx1139 said:


Your kidding yourself thinking that the NextBox will launch higher than $400.  Sony showed what a mistake that was and MS will not repeat that mistake.  Not to mention why would publishers port NextBox games to the PS3 and ignore the 360 when the 360 will continue to be sold and already will have sold more than the PS3. 


     It will be an expensive console because it will need to be able to play third-party ports of nextgen pc games as well as the 360 plays Bioshock and Fallout 3.  Most western game developers are primarily pc developers that love to put their games on the most advanced tech and Microsoft has to come up with a system powerful enough to give western pc developers the proper incentive to put their games on the next microsoft console.

     Because when Nextbox comes out with games like exclusive Gears 3 people won't have much reason to pick up a 360.  Also, the next-gen multi-plat games if available on both 360 and 720 would cut into early adaption of the expensive at launch 720, thus placing it in a position at launch similar to the one the PS3 has been in so far this gen.  When Microsoft decides to bring out their next console it is in their best interest to kill off the 360 as quickly as they killed off original xbox.

 

 

Again this MS will kill off the 360 when the NextBox comes out.  Lets please understand the truth the reason MS stopped production of the original Xbox was because it cost more to produce than retail sales price.  That isnt the case with the 360.  You also believe that MS will stop 3rd party developers from creating software for the 360 because it will hurt NextBox sales.  Thats nuts.  MS wants to continue to make a profit on the 360 and 360 software well into the NextBox's lifetime.


       And as a result pull off what we've seen so far from PS3 on their next supersystem?  It will be the developers themselves that will pull off quite a bit of the third-party development from the 360 as I said earlier since many of them are western third-party pc developers that prefer to work on the most advanced tech.  During the transition from original xbox to 360 was bethseda still planning Elder Scrolls games to appear on original xbox?  What about Bioware, it seems like they sure were in a hurry to keep Mass Effect on original xbox, you didn't hear Epic decide that they wanted to put a version of Gears on the original xbox or THQ wanting to put Bioshock on original xbox either.

     Look at the traditional way of playing advanced pc games.  you buy a 1000+ dollar pc it can play the most advanced pc games for about a year, then by the end of the second year it can barely play any of the big new games coming to pcs, the third year you play whatever you can manage to squeeze out of it which usually isn't that much, and then at the end of that year, you have to buy another $1,000 pc.  Microsoft's plans always tend to follow a similar model.

Bioware made an RPG on DS too, thats REALLY advanced I must say!

     How did it sell in comparison to KOTOR, Jade Empire, or Mass Effect?



Viper1 on 27 May 2009
txrattlesnake said:
Viper1 said:
Bethesda has a Wii game coming and Valve wants to make a Wii game.

The "most advanced tech" argument should be a Wii Bingo panel now.


So, do you think all development of high-end pc games is suddenly going to stop to make way for Wii games?  And, if Valve and Bethesda make these games for the Wii and they don't sell anymore than 1/5th of what their ps3 and 360 titles have as  games like No More Heroes, Madworld haven't really sold that well in comparison to similar games on PS3, 360 then how do you think they would feel about making second and third games on the Wii?

 

Where did I insinuate they would drop HD console and PC development?  Why make silly assumptions about someones post like that?

Depends on whether they made a profit on the games regardless of sales or not.  



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