I was just thinking the other day...

In Mexico then have no welfare. If you can’t find a way to feed yourself, you die. Some people might think this would cause wide spread crime, but in areas in Mexico where work is easier to come by, crime is very low, and lif is good.

Here is the interesting part (to me anyway). A Mexican will risk death to cross a desert and enter a country illegal, a country where he does not speak the common language, to do a job for less money than locals receive, only to send half of it back to Mexico to feed his family.

Could you imagine an American today who would go though that much trouble for a job? I sure can’t. Today, if you can’t find anything close buy, you just pout, say poor me, and get on Government assistance.

Now, imagine you could take this type of motivation, and apply it to a country with a tremendous amount of opportunity.

If you can’t imagine it, just open a US history book and read about it.

There should be no welfare in Canada or the US. There should be worker's comp for legitimate workplace injuries where you can not work for a period of time. But no welfare, all that does is give lazy people money for not having the effort to go out and get a job.

Socialist welfare does encourage laziness and inefficiency, no-one can argue that. But it is easy to group people together and say everyone welfare is a scrounger, when it is not the case, many people genuinely are having trouble finding a job at this time and some people are unfortunately able to work. Sure maybe some are lazy, but some are genuine. The motivation to work will still exist for many of the people on welfare, it's just a stage between jobs. If you get me.

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In Britain those who live off welfare and are able to work are pressured into work and motivation, it seems to be a good idea. I don't know results though brb.

I don't really have to imagine it.

I'm moving to Nevada in a couple months because my girlfriend is going out there in college and the place I work at was recently aquired and is liquidating the staff.

I have the option of

A) Looking for a job for 2 months... omit the fact i'm leaving

B) Looking for a job for 2 months and collecting unepmployment while being completly honest to my employers that i'm gone in 2 months.

C) Apply for temporary jobs.

Option B is pretty tempting.

Really I think it'd be great if they invested in "Welfare jobs". To get your Welfare check you need to go in and do some public work the city needs done for 2-3 days a week.

Even better if it's something that trains people or gives them people skills.

The only issue is... places where this was tried... they usually ended up being dangerous jobs.

I noticed 2 things which confused me in your post:

1) You mention crime being low where there's lots of work but I'm sure that's the case in countries with welfare as well, and in areas with poor employment there IS crime - illegal border crossing!

2) Countries with no welfare = good, countries with welfare = bad, but Mexicans will risk their life to travel OUT of the country with no welfare?!

Further to the second point - why would anyone want to put unemployed people in such a harsh situation that the only way out of their problems is to risk their life, commit crime, and be sundered from their family?

I think I misunderstood the OP with my last post lol.

Anyway, I would be in favour of making those on welfare doing a couple of hours community service a week to A. Make them find a more profitable use of their time B. Keep motivation high and C. help the community.

1. One of the major arguments from welfare, is the wealthy get the benefit of less crime. As long as there are employment opportunities, I don't think it's true. If given the chance, more people will work for food before they will steal for it. If they would rather steal for it, then they will do that with or without welfare.

2. Work ethic of poor people in countries with no welfare = good, work ethic of poor people in countries with welfare = bad. People have to leave Mexico because of everything else that's wrong with the country. I am for a country that provides jobs for everyone that wants to work.

But how easy is it to get welfare in the US then?

Can't they deny you the welfare money if you don't prove u are actively looking for jobs?

i think that completely removing it would be silly, as they are some genuine cases where people need assistance.

My mother works at social services and deals with these people all day...she also deals with a lot of human garbage too. you know..the generational welfare types...the ones who would get pregnant because they get a larger check. the kinds who wont pay their rent because they would rather drink and smoke, then destroy the home/apartment when they are finally evicted months after they stop paying.

So while the system needs improvement, it provides an abundance of help... beyond just a check, they also run all sorts of programs... to some people that really need it.