We all liked Star Wars, Michael Jackson, Eminem, WWE's John Cena, McDonald's, and anything else that's wildly popular......but then, we turn on them. That's just the way we are.

But at the same time, Sony has really been hurting themselves.

The PS1 wasn't some magical piece of hardware, combined with Sony's marketing expertise. It was just at the right place at the right time. Nintendo and Sega were making some truly stupid choices, and Sony provided a decent alternative for 3rd parties. The third parties made that console a household name. Sony's marketing (up until Crash Bandicoot) was pretty shabby. URnote?  Polygon Man?  Please.

By the time the PS2 came around, anticipation was at an all time high. They beat Sega's ass as usual (This was the second time they launched against a Sega console and nobody else). It was surprising because, the PS2 launched with only one or two decent games (SSX and Tekken Tag) while Sega was finally doing everything right. There were console shortages and defects (my nephew got one at launch and, right out of the box, it would cut off within one round of Tekken Tag). Sony themselves didn't even have a game available on launch day. The PS2 made it's name off of 3rd parties once again. By the time the Xbox and the Gamecube came out to play, the game was already over. Once again, it wasn't because of anything Sony did. It was just perfect timing, and the prior console's success.

This time around, Microsoft launched a year early. The previous Xbox didn't have the library that Sony had. It had a decent marketing campaign, it came out first, and it was a competent system. It had the market to itself, and it proved itself as a decent buy in that first year. It was, by no means, a runaway success, though. This battle was Sony's to win or lose. Sony screwed up by giving consumers an insanely high $600 price tag, no game that destroyed what the 360 was doing (Gears was on a different level than what Sony had to show), and simply not launching earlier. It was a powerful console, but this was the first time that Sony didn't have the market to themselves, to screw up, innovate, and dominate. Plus, Nintendo's Wii was launching within a couple of days, and offered an entirely different experience than the divided HD market.  Sony's ad campaign was questionable too.  And their E3 cockiness wasn't helping things.

To summarize, Sony launched against a competent competitor, a year late. Consumers were given decent challengers for the first time, and Sony's weaknesses were magnified (especially by the gaming media).

I like titties.

Folks if you don't like what crazzy says you can either report it(if it violates a rule), ignore it, or reply to the points he is trying to make. Attacking him with ad hominem and troll comments is just feeding the problem and making it worse.

And when you think he has actually broken a rule the only thing you should do is report it.

As for you crazzy, all of your posts and problems on this forum have stemmed from your incessant attempts to make the most outlandish statements to get a rise out of people. Considering your status here is hanging by a thread currently you would be smart to play it cool for a while rather than diving right back in with the same crap that ultimately lead to your ban last time.

In short, I don't like where this thread is headed so lets dial back the personal rhetoric and snipes and stick to the topic. Which for you crazzy means don't deliberately post crap just because you know it will get a strong negative reaction to stir up trouble (ie trolling).

Ill tell you why, No Loyalty, No Honor, Im A Sega Fan For Ever, Bought All Thier Consoles Till The End, People Make Me Sick ... Nearly Everyone Owned a Ps2, they should have got a ps3 for all the quality they got, but no, thier too ape shit and bought a 360 for HALO 3, even tho they never played one ...

Death Before Dishonor

Great post d21lewis. It is a shame it is so late in the thread.

Nintendo Fanboys have hated Sony ever since Sony hijacked Final Fantasy. We all know the story about CD's Vs. Carts etc., but hear me out. Now everyone knows that FF7 was the best selling FF game to date in the west. Many attribute this to hype/cgi/marketing, which I won't dispute. But I think there was another reason that FF7 did well and that was because a lot of kids had actually really enjoyed FF3 (FF6) on SNES. Now, I realise that FF3 only sold about half a million copies in the US, however, I also know that kids were passing these carts around (not surprising since the thing cost 80 bucks when it came out) and in my circle often there were like 5-10 kids playing the game on a single cart. Though sales may not have reflected it the seeds had been sown for the RPG genera to "blow up" in the west during the tail end of the SNES era. It was devastating watch the SNES be the RPG king then have the N64 be stripped entirely of all RPG's. I can't name a single RPG of note that was on N64. Since this time Nintendo fanboy's have wanted Sony to die.

Microsoft fanboys hate Sony because of how easily the PS2 routed the X-Box. I think most of that had to do with again the RPG advantage and also the fact that PS2 would get GTA games a year before X-box. The best maneuvers that MS made this gen was not only to come out first- and cheaper- but they made damn well sure that games like GTA4 and Resident Evil etc. came out at the exact same time as the PS3 version- Stripping away what was easily PS2's hugest advantage in the west.

Finally you have ex-Sony fans who weren't really Sony fans but were fans of having the leading console. These people find rooting for the underdog to be more tiresome then going with the sure bet and have abandoned ship. If Sony makes a comeback this gen they will switch back pretty quickly.

The PS3's worst days are behind it though, as the reasoning behind the hating becomes less viable with time.

It has no games: The game lineup is sick right now.
Bluray is not selling and is a non factor: Killed HD-DVD faster then expected, sales up.
Too expensive: The final hurdle that has always kept it down let's see what the price drop does.

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I think that these people you describe aren't "fans of having the leading console", but instead were "fans of having the games they want to play".  I have a Wii, but I didn't buy it because it was the leading console.  I bought it because, at the time, it had what I wanted to play on it.  Same thing goes for the PS3.  When MGS4 came out, I bought one.  I don't think cheering for the underdog, or having the best sales means anything to anybody when it's time to play a video game and have some fun.

Lol it wan't an attack against you d12. But I have seen you on PSN much more often then last year. :D

There are more X360's than PS3's on Europe, so by your logic there should be a plethora of "hate" coming that way from the Old Hag.

OP:

Read this thread and then form your own opinions as it pertains to your question:

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=73522&page=1

What the hell?! d21lewis actually contributing to a thread with valuable insights? That's friggin' awesome! :D

I agree completely with your analysis of the past.

I have no idea why but this quote is pretty funny. xD