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thanny said:
Khuutra said:
coolestguyever said:
I believe in Natural selection because its been proven. Its fact.

I do not believe in evolution and the so called "origin of life" because they are theories.


I am Christian, so yes, I do believe we were created by God.

All right I admit that you made me scratch my head on this one. If you believe in natural selection changing the shape and behaviors of future generations, you believe in evolution! That is what evolution is. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

Hell, what's wrong with being a Christian and buying into evolutionary theory whole-hog?

It is not possible for someone who believes in the Christian God to believe in evolution. Let me explain. Jesus says in the new testament that everything from Genesis should be taken literally, and is not a made up story, so if you say you are a christian but believe in evolution, that is like saying you are a christian, but not believing in what jesus says; which defeats the purpose of ever being a christian in the first place

Yes, it's possible.  Somebody in this thread already does so, and I've met other Christians who believe evolution as well.  You should accept that it's possible, because your only other option now is to turn this into a "my Christianity is purer than your Christianity" pissing contest.



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thanny said:
Khuutra said:
coolestguyever said:
I believe in Natural selection because its been proven. Its fact.

I do not believe in evolution and the so called "origin of life" because they are theories.


I am Christian, so yes, I do believe we were created by God.

All right I admit that you made me scratch my head on this one. If you believe in natural selection changing the shape and behaviors of future generations, you believe in evolution! That is what evolution is. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

Hell, what's wrong with being a Christian and buying into evolutionary theory whole-hog?

It is not possible for someone who believes in the Christian God to believe in evolution. Let me explain. Jesus says in the new testament that everything from Genesis should be taken literally, and is not a made up story, so if you say you are a christian but believe in evolution, that is like saying you are a christian, but not believing in what jesus says; which defeats the purpose of ever being a christian in the first place

Oh yeah? Cite the passage.

Christ said that he would not change a single law in the Torah, not that everything in it was literal. He spent half of his recorded life telling parables to people - stories that had deeper meaning were sort of Christ's thing.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
thanny said:
Khuutra said:
coolestguyever said:
I believe in Natural selection because its been proven. Its fact.

I do not believe in evolution and the so called "origin of life" because they are theories.


I am Christian, so yes, I do believe we were created by God.

All right I admit that you made me scratch my head on this one. If you believe in natural selection changing the shape and behaviors of future generations, you believe in evolution! That is what evolution is. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

Hell, what's wrong with being a Christian and buying into evolutionary theory whole-hog?

It is not possible for someone who believes in the Christian God to believe in evolution. Let me explain. Jesus says in the new testament that everything from Genesis should be taken literally, and is not a made up story, so if you say you are a christian but believe in evolution, that is like saying you are a christian, but not believing in what jesus says; which defeats the purpose of ever being a christian in the first place

Yes, it's possible.  Somebody in this thread already does so, and I've met other Christians who believe evolution as well.  You should accept that it's possible, because your only other option now is to turn this into a "my Christianity is purer than your Christianity" pissing contest.

What thanny is trying to say is that Christians shouldn't believe in evolution. It's like when the Bible says not to lust, but every man does anyway. It's what Christians should be, not what they are, if that makes sense to you.

Khuutra, i agree i've never heard a verse that says take the Torah literally.

 



thanny said:
Khuutra said:
coolestguyever said:
I believe in Natural selection because its been proven. Its fact.

I do not believe in evolution and the so called "origin of life" because they are theories.


I am Christian, so yes, I do believe we were created by God.

All right I admit that you made me scratch my head on this one. If you believe in natural selection changing the shape and behaviors of future generations, you believe in evolution! That is what evolution is. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

Hell, what's wrong with being a Christian and buying into evolutionary theory whole-hog?

It is not possible for someone who believes in the Christian God to believe in evolution. Let me explain. Jesus says in the new testament that everything from Genesis should be taken literally, and is not a made up story, so if you say you are a christian but believe in evolution, that is like saying you are a christian, but not believing in what jesus says; which defeats the purpose of ever being a christian in the first place

 

Well I don't ever remember reading that verse in the bible. In any case, many chrisitians believe the direct message from the bible has been somewhat distorted but it is the overall message that matters. You have to remember that the current bible originated around 300AD and many of the books of the bible were written after the death of Jesus.

In any case, I know that at least the Church of England and the Vatican have both accepted evolution (there are statements by both Rowan Williams and Pope John Paul II to this effect) and that there is at least some acceptance of it amongst protestant churches and Eastern Orthodoxy.

The only major branch of Chrisitianity I haven't covered is Oriental Orthodoxy and thats because I know nothing about them.

 

 



Khuutra said:
thanny said:
Khuutra said:

All right I admit that you made me scratch my head on this one. If you believe in natural selection changing the shape and behaviors of future generations, you believe in evolution! That is what evolution is. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

Hell, what's wrong with being a Christian and buying into evolutionary theory whole-hog?

It is not possible for someone who believes in the Christian God to believe in evolution. Let me explain. Jesus says in the new testament that everything from Genesis should be taken literally, and is not a made up story, so if you say you are a christian but believe in evolution, that is like saying you are a christian, but not believing in what jesus says; which defeats the purpose of ever being a christian in the first place

Oh yeah? Cite the passage.

Christ said that he would not change a single law in the Torah, not that everything in it was literal. He spent half of his recorded life telling parables to people - stories that had deeper meaning were sort of Christ's thing.

While it's true he does not say to take the Old Testament literally, the point more here is that, for the Bible-believing Christian, most of evolution is incompatible with Scripture (that is, if this particular Christian thinks that the Genesis account of creation is not metaphorical).

 



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appolose said:
Khuutra said:
thanny said:
Khuutra said:

All right I admit that you made me scratch my head on this one. If you believe in natural selection changing the shape and behaviors of future generations, you believe in evolution! That is what evolution is. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

Hell, what's wrong with being a Christian and buying into evolutionary theory whole-hog?

It is not possible for someone who believes in the Christian God to believe in evolution. Let me explain. Jesus says in the new testament that everything from Genesis should be taken literally, and is not a made up story, so if you say you are a christian but believe in evolution, that is like saying you are a christian, but not believing in what jesus says; which defeats the purpose of ever being a christian in the first place

Oh yeah? Cite the passage.

Christ said that he would not change a single law in the Torah, not that everything in it was literal. He spent half of his recorded life telling parables to people - stories that had deeper meaning were sort of Christ's thing.

While it's true he does not say to take the Old Testament literally, the point more here is that, for the Bible-believing Christian, most of evolution is incompatible with Scripture (that is, if this particular Christian thinks that the Genesis account of creation is not metaphorical).

It doesn't take much theological acrobatics in order to take Genesis as being primarily metaphorical.



Khuutra said:
appolose said:
Khuutra said:

Oh yeah? Cite the passage.

Christ said that he would not change a single law in the Torah, not that everything in it was literal. He spent half of his recorded life telling parables to people - stories that had deeper meaning were sort of Christ's thing.

While it's true he does not say to take the Old Testament literally, the point more here is that, for the Bible-believing Christian, most of evolution is incompatible with Scripture (that is, if this particular Christian thinks that the Genesis account of creation is not metaphorical).

It doesn't take much theological acrobatics in order to take Genesis as being primarily metaphorical.

But it does take quite some ignoring of context to think so.

 



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Do elaborate on what you mean.



Uh oh. You're about to get lectured on interpreting the Bible wrong, by a guy who chooses not to interpret the Bible.



Khuutra said:
Do elaborate on what you mean.

 

 While I would, my intent was to give a good explanation of why so many Christians say "I don't believe in evolution.  I'm a Christian!".  I will say, however, that, given how in the Genesis account, God calls creation "very good" (and, if evolutionary explanation of the progress of life (billions of years of death and suffering) were true) would somewhat render the phrase meaningless (what would a "very bad" creation be like).  Also, the transition from the creation account to the narrative of Adam and Eve is rather smooth and "continuitous" (couldn't find that word on google), which would be confusing if the first were metaphorical.

A tad more than I intended to say (and there's more), but you get the drift.  Of course, many have argued (and not unconvincingly) against the reasons I have given, but I just am trying to show why I think the context strongly suggest a historical account.



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