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WessleWoggle on 19 May 2009

Evolution is real. Humans however seem different. The aliens messed with our DNA.



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highwaystar101 on 19 May 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:
I hope the sweeping wave of ignorance that's leading us back to a controversy that had already ended a century ago ends up or else we are headed towards a rerun of the Dark Ages.

I blame the interwebz. It has allowed the minority to become more vocal, so those that do not acknowledge evolution can be very persistant. If you get what I mean. Here's an example I found the other day.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%20Hoax/4000.htm

In real society, the things they say here aren't believed by even the most hardcore Christians. I mean I know of nobody who insist evolution can't occur because the earth is 6000 years old. But there it is, some random guy claiming just that. Before his views wouldn't have reached anyone.

(sorry if that offended anyone in any way BTW)

 



Kasz216 on 19 May 2009
TheRealMafoo said:

I do think we evolve, and millions of years ago, we were something very different. But to read a book that tells you where we came from, is as much a religion as saying god made us.

We really have no clue how we started. I am confident one day we will, just not yet.

To my point. If you took an astronomy class in the 1960's, and asked any professor what the surface of Venus was. Every one would have given you an answer. None of them would have said "we don't know".

None of them would have been right.

This is what I mean. Today, we don't know. Why can't we just say that?

People can't stand not having expinations for things.

"It's probably this" is 100 times better then "I don't know"...

and if enough people agree that "it's probably this" it becomes "It is this.  Definitly.  But not really... but we won't mention the not really part... just that it probably is."

I think evolution is highly probable it's what i'd go with.  There are other possibilties out there... stuff we might not even conceive yet.  It's really hard to judge evolution since we have such limited lifespans.. and don't have the technology to run tests to let one species turn into another type of species.

Heck, you yourself said you believe 100% that there isn't a god.  You don't really KNOW that... since you would likely need to know everything about the universe to make such a conclusion.



Kasz216 on 19 May 2009
ManusJustus said:
tombi123 said: 

Energy and matter are transferable, this could be key to life creating itself.

The problem a lot of people have is they think the origin of life is much more complicated than it actually is.  The beginning of life didnt include highly developed single celled organisms.  We know that organelles like mitochondria have their own DNA and were at one time seperate from cells, so 'life' started long before the first cells came around.  The origin of life includes simple things such as the Kreb's cycle or RNA.

All life needs to get started is a self replicating chemical cycle.  It wouldnt be difficult for something like the Kreb Cycle to develop in the presence of organic molecules, water, and an energy source.

We don't know that.  We highly suspect that is the case.  There are other possible theories on the matter.  They just aren't as likely.  However they are possible.

We wouldn't know that for sure until we actually can replicate it to see it happen.

 



The_vagabond7 on 19 May 2009
Quickdraw McGraw said:
The_vagabond7 said:

I think anybody who doesn't believe in evolution or is on the fence should read Jerry Coyne's "Why Evolution is True". It's a well written book that just goes over the copious amounts of evidence in evolutions favor. It's in no way comprehensive, but it's still an interesting read.

I don't think disagreeing with evolution is a crime (freedom of thought should always be encouraged), but doing so out of ignorance should be (willful ignorance should always be discouraged). I feel like in most debates the evolution side is just trying to educate the other side (against their will no less) so that a legitimate debate could take place. But the anti-evolution side is usually grossly uneducated in the topic and proud of it. Which is never conducive to a productive discussion. If the other side would at least learn about it, there could be much more interesting discussions rather than regurgitating explanations as to why evolution is not against the laws of thermodynamics, the scientific definition of "theory", why Darwin wasn't the father of Nazism (not that it's even relevant), how the eye isn't irreducibly complex, and other stupidity pulled out of religiously inclined books and magazines. But that's too much to ask. Which is why I stay out of it nine times out of ten.

And, as if by some divine prophecy, this is exactly what has happened.

Thanks for the book recommendation, by the by.


And it didn't even wait until the page with my post had past. On the same page as my post one person claimed it "only a theory" and another claimed that evolution necessitates eugenics. It almost makes you want to cry.



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highwaystar101 on 19 May 2009
The_vagabond7 said:


And it didn't even wait until the page with my post had past. On the same page as my post one person claimed it "only a theory" and another claimed that evolution necessitates eugenics. It almost makes you want to cry.

The sheer amount of time i had to explain that prompted the new addition to my sig. People seem to think theory is just a randon untested idea, when it is the opposite.

 



tarheel91 on 19 May 2009

The amount of BS both sides are spouting is amazing. I wish people would argue with facts and research instead of pulling stuff out of thin air.

@Stof: I'm pretty sure gravity is understood even less than the way life has progressed.



Rath on 19 May 2009
tarheel91 said:
The amount of BS both sides are spouting is amazing. I wish people would argue with facts and research instead of pulling stuff out of thin air.

@Stof: I'm pretty sure gravity is understood even less than the way life has progressed.

 

 There is the fact of gravity and the theory of gravity, and the fact of evolution and the theory of evolution.

The fact of gravity is the observation that there is a force which causes masses to attract each other, the theory of gravity is an explanation of this observation.

The fact of evolution is the observation that life changes over generations, the theory of evolution is an explanation of this observation.

You are correct in saying that the theory of evolution is more fully understood than the theory of gravity.



coolestguyever on 19 May 2009

I believe in Natural selection because its been proven. Its fact.

I do not believe in evolution and the so called "origin of life" because they are theories.


I am Christian, so yes, I do believe we were created by God.



Khuutra on 19 May 2009
coolestguyever said:
I believe in Natural selection because its been proven. Its fact.

I do not believe in evolution and the so called "origin of life" because they are theories.


I am Christian, so yes, I do believe we were created by God.

All right I admit that you made me scratch my head on this one. If you believe in natural selection changing the shape and behaviors of future generations, you believe in evolution! That is what evolution is. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

Hell, what's wrong with being a Christian and buying into evolutionary theory whole-hog?