badgenome said: Munkeh111 said: It is worth far more than it costs if used fully. It is great for streaming stuff from my computer, to show the iPlayer on a big screen, to show off pictures, blu-ray films and in my opinion, has the best line-up of any consoles out there and does not sound like a jet fighter

It just gets so annoying. Installs do help, but I can only do that for one game at a time

I agree with you,to a certain extend but it is not the costumers fault that the price is really high and so they might choose a less expensive console.It happens with other products too .Even if they are astounding in terms of quality if they are not affordable to the majority of costumers they will opt for the cheaper option.

In addition l can relate with what you are saying last generation the Gamecube was underrated. The majority thought that it did not have much to offer.And called it a "Kiddie system".It finished last in the console race.Even though it still had an amazing first party line up support e.g. "Metroid 1&2,Pikmin 1&2,Wind Waker,Melee(which according to the smash competitive players is by far superior than brawl in terms of gameplay.It also had ground breaking third party title "Resident Evil 4" as a timed exclusive.

The Ps3 has franchise like Uncharted,Resistance,Killzone,God Of War all exclusive to the system.They definitely had a strong line up,in terms of software.

papflesje said:   Funny how if someone has another opinion about the PS3, they are automatically victims of spin. Funny how you ONCE AGAIN go with "my opinion is absolute truth, everyon else's isn't, unless they have the same opinion".  There are other ways to initiate discussion aside from basically telling other people they're wrong for not thinking the same as you think.

 

Well, however offended it may make you, if you are trying to sell the tagline "The PS3 is a great deal at 399 and an amazing value" as something that is completely spin free...then yes, you have a right to your opinion. However, I have the right to call BS, as does every person who is not completely in the tank for Sony.

Cool-Aid drinkers also have opinions. However, they must realize that many other people aren't going to take those opinions seriously.

Do you remember how the gaming community reacted when Sony tried to pull that "Value chart" BS after NPD? Remember how everyone laughed at Sony? Remember the articles and threads that stemmed from that?

Now, we are supposed to take that same "opinion" seriously?

Sony chooses to sell its console at a relatively high price. It is not a bargin, no matter how much Sony loses per console. They are still forcing you to buy things that you shouldn't be forced to buy. Looking at it from their perspective, while novel, is completely missing the point.

That's my opinion. Tell me yours.

It does have lots of benefits. I'll be honest at first I hated everything about it, until I slept over at a friends place over a long weekend and spent some quality time with it. I mean really IT GIVES THE END USER A LOT! Free online, uster upgradable SATA harddrives, REGION FREE, great multimedia (DiVX) storage and playback, Wallpaper (ok thats standard but its still pretty darn cool), Web browser, Blu-ray, the ability to install Linux on it (a big plus for me, Im a Linux fan). Its good, it really is. I now see why Sony were so freaking over confident, unfortunately it got overboard and turned people (including me, initially) off.

outlawauron said: ymeaga1n said: underrated or overpriced? That would be expensive. Being that Sony is still losing money, it's not overpriced. Expensive is having too high a price. Overpriced would be a company charging a high price to earn more profit. The Wii, DS, and PSP are overpriced.

 

The reason Sony's console is so expensive is because of the Blu-Ray device. The reason Sony put the Blu-Ray device in the console is so they could own the next home video medium. The reason they wanted to own that, is because it would make them far more profit than a first place console ever could.

So yes, the PS3 is expensive, because Sony is trying to make huge profits on Blu-Ray, by introducing it via the PS3.

It is a simply seperation by degree, but the PS3 is "overpriced" by your logic, if you look at the Blu-Ray addition as an attempt to garner profit though early adoption by gamers.

I'd say its overrated. At least on this forum.

My opinion on this matter is not of importance. I'm quite sure there are people out there who willingly paid for everything in the PS3 - even at 600 euros - because 1) they actually wanted all those additions 2) they didn't mind paying for it, because they might use it one day 3) considered it a reasonable price, despite not needing some of the additions.

Come down from your cloud. Just because someone might actually feel that the price merits everything in the console, doesn't automatically make them "in the tank for Sony". They might have the opinion that it's true for them, simple as that. Everyone has the right to call BS, but the difference with you is that you state your opinion as fact and immediately place people who disagree in some sort of small cage with a sign on it.

Stop being such an elitist. As if people drinking Cool-Aid automatically should have their opinions discarded. I might not agree with them, but they are entitled to their opinion.

You feel the need to stigmatize people even before they have uttered something, to make sure that they have some sort of label on them if they choose to say something different than what you said. You have done this repeatedly in the past, even admitted to it and kept quiet for a while (or I just didn't bump into your posts, same difference). Apparently you just couldn't resist.

yeah the ps3 is underrated. The price needs to drop so more people can buy it and see that its the sh*t

ZenfoldorVGI said: Stefan.De.Machtige said: ymeaga1n said: underrated or overpriced? In a financial context, they are the same. The PS3 offers a very good deal for its price. I think most VGchartz users agree on that. The public doesn't agree at all. To them it is too expensive. The message of a good electronics deal falls on their deaf ears. Since they are the consumer, it is both underrated and overpriced in their eyes. And Sony can't convince them of the opposite.   It plays games. It costs 399 dollars. Its competition costs 199, plus a 20 dollar/free shipping hard-drive off ebay. It plays pretty much the same games, and the graphical difference is only noticable in a few exclusives, like Killzone 2. The best 360 exclusives also have fantastic graphics, like Gears 2. According to reviewers, the 360 still has a much "better" library. However, that is all opinion, just as art style, and the "value" of the PS3 are opinion. What the PS3 gives you, for 200 dollars, is a blu-ray player, lifetime membership to PSN, and wireless internet. None of these things are necessary for gaming, but you are required to purchase them, because Sony chose for you to purchase them. Thus, despite having "value" for people who care about wireless internet, online gaming subscriptions, and blu-ray movies, people who only care about gaming, and would rather not buy all of Sony's "value" have no choice. Thus, it is overpriced, because to buy a PS3, you have to buy a lot of stuff you may or may not need, instead of having the option to not buy said stuff. If Sony was Microsoft, the PS3 would be like a version of windows Vista that costs 400 dollars, but came with Microsoft Office, as a free "value." It's not free. You pay for it. The PS3's "value" doesn't exist, considering it is double the price of another gaming console that does the exact same thing, as far as gaming, yet allows you to pick and choose your "value" adding items, instead of requiring you to buy them. Anything else is pure spin. Even if you believe it to be true with all your heart, it's spin. You just bought and adopted the spin as a personal belief. Doesn't change it. The PS3 needs a price drop. It is not a "bargin." Would you really pay MORE for one? MORE than 400 dollars plus tax?

I was talking about the pure value of its electronical parts, not really about it functionality or its true usefullness to the consumer. Sony clearly had different idea's about that then the majority of the gaming crowd, including me.

And i'm not under anyone's spin. I share your point about seemingly unneeded things added to the ps3.  Sony should allow a similar choosing of components, like Microsoft. That's far more buyerfriendly and cheaper. As noted in other threads, Sony used Blu-Ray (in the PS3) to win the format war and as a consequence lost the console war. Sony will be forced to a pricecut sooner or later, no matter the loss. Or they would let the PS3 die.

 

 

papflesje said: My opinion on this matter is not of importance. I'm quite sure there are people out there who willingly paid for everything in the PS3 - even at 600 euros - because 1) they actually wanted all those additions 2) they didn't mind paying for it, because they might use it one day 3) considered it a reasonable price, despite not needing some of the additions. However, I have the right to call BS, as does every person who is not completely in the tank for Sony. Come down from your cloud. Just because someone might actually feel that the price merits everything in the console, doesn't automatically make them "in the tank for Sony". They might have the opinion that it's true for them, simple as that. Everyone has the right to call BS, but the difference with you is that you state your opinion as fact and immediately place people who disagree in some sort of small cage with a sign on it. Stop being such an elitist. As if people drinking Cool-Aid automatically should have their opinions discarded. I might not agree with them, but they are entitled to their opinion. You feel the need to stigmatize people even before they have uttered something, to make sure that they have some sort of label on them if they choose to say something different than what you said. You have done this repeatedly in the past, even admitted to it and kept quiet for a while (or I just didn't bump into your posts, same difference). Apparently you just couldn't resist.

 

Ah, I see. Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on this subject. You've seen fit to make this discussion about me and my older posts, rather than my views in this thread, and you even refuse to discuss your views with me, on the topic presented by the OP, so I suppose this is the end of our conversation.

Hopefully, we can pick it up later.

I think that in this instance, our basic disagreement is this:

I believe that anyone who presents a 399.99 dollars PS3 as a "bargin" is spinning the issue.

I don't know what you believe.

Agree to disagree, sir, and I'm not trying to flame anyone, I just gave my opinion on this matter, and I stand by it. While it might not be PC on a gaming forum, to claim that people who sell taglines are spinning the truth, I'm a realist, always have been, and when I believe I see someone trying to turn spin into a generally accepted opinion, I might call it like I see it. I have a perfect right to my opinion, as do you. Forgive my "elitism," for pointing out what, admittedly, most people would dub obvious. In this instance, I presented my argument in a well thought out manner, that directly related to the OP. My purpose wasn't to insult anyone, and I think you might be reading a bit too deeply into my comments.

Everone uses generalizations from time to time. No-one means them. They are a figure of speech. Of course I don't believe "everyone" is in the tank for Sony, or even most people, but I believe some are. Forgive me for being unclear, and forgive my generalization, but don't miss my point. It's on the money more often than not.