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appolose on 17 May 2009
vlad321 said:
appolose said:
vlad321 said:

It's a marketing spin and that's why. As I stated earlier there are many people who aren't ducated enough to look too deeply into matters and they think "pro-life" sounds better.

@HappySqrl

I didn't know China and India were on the table here. I thought we were talking about the US....

 

 

 Most people, educated or otherwise, know quite well that pro-life refers to anti-abortion.  And I'm not sure how it being a marketing spin has anything to do with what we've been disussing.

 

You give people too much credit. I wish the world we lived in was the way you describe it, maybe then there would be less ads on TV and companies wouldn't spend millions on sociology and psyhology research to exploit people more easily. But that's not how it is sadly.

 A world where people understand a commonly used term?  That doesn't really sound that far fetched.  In any event, a dictionary wil give you this definition, so, in all likeliness, most people do understand the term.

 



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HappySqurriel on 17 May 2009
vlad321 said:
appolose said:
vlad321 said:
I wanna get how conservatives work, because this is how I'm seeing all this:

Government can't tax me and take my money to fund hospitals and healthcare to heal even the idiots of the land who don't deserve it. They can't take our money to fund research of technologies which may lead to dead ends. They can't control us or businesses and we should have our rights to our money and work and no one else should matter. However, government CAN take our money to fund control over our own bodies?

That's because we don't think it's your body. I would suppose you have no problem with he government making it illegal to kill your already-born children, so you should see that, if the unborn are indeed humans, they should have such rights as the born.

 

 

But they aren't my already-born children. They are a lump of nerveless, unresponsive (except for the most basic stimulus response, which I believe even an amoeba has) cells.

It it is just a lump of nerveless, uresponsive cells does that make it moral to destroy it simply because it will develop into a woman or a homosexual?

 



appolose on 17 May 2009
vlad321 said:
appolose said:
vlad321 said:
I wanna get how conservatives work, because this is how I'm seeing all this:

Government can't tax me and take my money to fund hospitals and healthcare to heal even the idiots of the land who don't deserve it. They can't take our money to fund research of technologies which may lead to dead ends. They can't control us or businesses and we should have our rights to our money and work and no one else should matter. However, government CAN take our money to fund control over our own bodies?

That's because we don't think it's your body.  I would suppose you have no problem with he government making it illegal to kill your already-born children, so you should see that, if the unborn are indeed humans, they should have such rights as the born. 

 

 

But they aren't my already-born children. They are a lump of nerveless, unresponsive (except for the most basic stimulus response, which I believe even an amoeba has) cells.

 

This is the argument you should be using.  Not that we're controlling your body, but what constitutes a human. 

 

 And, for most of the pregnancy, they aren't nerveless, or unresponsive.



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vlad321 on 17 May 2009
appolose said:
vlad321 said:
appolose said:
vlad321 said:

It's a marketing spin and that's why. As I stated earlier there are many people who aren't ducated enough to look too deeply into matters and they think "pro-life" sounds better.

@HappySqrl

I didn't know China and India were on the table here. I thought we were talking about the US....

 

 

 Most people, educated or otherwise, know quite well that pro-life refers to anti-abortion.  And I'm not sure how it being a marketing spin has anything to do with what we've been disussing.

 

You give people too much credit. I wish the world we lived in was the way you describe it, maybe then there would be less ads on TV and companies wouldn't spend millions on sociology and psyhology research to exploit people more easily. But that's not how it is sadly.

 A world where people understand a commonly used term?  That doesn't really sound that far fetched.  In any event, a dictionary wil give you this definition, so, in all likeliness, most people do understand the term.

 

 

Yes... because EVERYONE is well versed, everyone gets educated, everyone gives a fuck about the dictionary and meaning of words and complex terms, everyone is nice and pleasant and the world is perfect...... Hate to beak it to you, but the majority falls in the uneducated ladder not vice versa. As to how it's relevant, isn't this about numbers jumping up in the anti-abortion sector? Maybe if we dropped the blatantly false labeling we'd see some of those uneducated people drop off the bandwagon.



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luinil on 17 May 2009
vlad321 said:

 

Yes... because EVERYONE is well versed, everyone gets educated, everyone gives a fuck about the dictionary and meaning of words and complex terms, everyone is nice and pleasant and the world is perfect...... Hate to beak it to you, but the majority falls in the uneducated ladder not vice versa. As to how it's relevant, isn't this about numbers jumping up in the anti-abortion sector? Maybe if we dropped the blatantly false labeling we'd see some of those uneducated people drop off the bandwagon.

Or maybe you could read the report and see they asked more specific questions about the topic at hand, abortion. Kasz already covered this as well.



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vlad321 on 17 May 2009
appolose said:
vlad321 said:
appolose said:
vlad321 said:
I wanna get how conservatives work, because this is how I'm seeing all this:

Government can't tax me and take my money to fund hospitals and healthcare to heal even the idiots of the land who don't deserve it. They can't take our money to fund research of technologies which may lead to dead ends. They can't control us or businesses and we should have our rights to our money and work and no one else should matter. However, government CAN take our money to fund control over our own bodies?

That's because we don't think it's your body.  I would suppose you have no problem with he government making it illegal to kill your already-born children, so you should see that, if the unborn are indeed humans, they should have such rights as the born. 

 

 

But they aren't my already-born children. They are a lump of nerveless, unresponsive (except for the most basic stimulus response, which I believe even an amoeba has) cells.

 

This is the argument you should be using.  Not that we're controlling your body, but what constitutes a human. 

 

 And, for most of the pregnancy, they aren't nerveless, or unresponsive.

 

Well no, I'm using the right argument. You are forcing me to do/not do something which can POTENTIALLY become a human and ruin a life or whatever. That's government controlling your body and quite frankly, very scary, far worse than any tax, gun law, or whatever.

If we're going down the "it will eventually feel and have feelings and be alive, etc." route. Then why don't you just outlaw masturbation and jacking off? Why don't you start giving taxes for funding on how to stop women from having their periods and perserving eggs? Sperm and eggs are all a potential humans in the future!



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HappySqurriel on 17 May 2009
vlad321 said:

Well no, I'm using the right argument. You are forcing me to do/not do something which can POTENTIALLY become a human and ruin a life or whatever. That's government controlling your body and quite frankly, very scary, far worse than any tax, gun law, or whatever.

If we're going down the "it will eventually feel and have feelings and be alive, etc." route. Then why don't you just outlaw masturbation and jacking off? Why don't you start giving taxes for funding on how to stop women from having their periods and perserving eggs? Sperm and eggs are all a potential humans in the future!

 

So if we can not consider what a unborn human will eventually become, does that make it an ethical act to choose to have an abortion because you will have a perfectly healthy baby that is somehow undesireable in another way?

 



vlad321 on 17 May 2009
luinil said:
vlad321 said:

 

Yes... because EVERYONE is well versed, everyone gets educated, everyone gives a fuck about the dictionary and meaning of words and complex terms, everyone is nice and pleasant and the world is perfect...... Hate to beak it to you, but the majority falls in the uneducated ladder not vice versa. As to how it's relevant, isn't this about numbers jumping up in the anti-abortion sector? Maybe if we dropped the blatantly false labeling we'd see some of those uneducated people drop off the bandwagon.

Or maybe you could read the report and see they asked more specific questions about the topic at hand, abortion. Kasz already covered this as well.

 

Or maybe I'm talking about the public in general? I have a problem with you calling yourself pro-life because you are anything but.



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vlad321 on 17 May 2009
HappySqurriel said:
vlad321 said:

Well no, I'm using the right argument. You are forcing me to do/not do something which can POTENTIALLY become a human and ruin a life or whatever. That's government controlling your body and quite frankly, very scary, far worse than any tax, gun law, or whatever.

If we're going down the "it will eventually feel and have feelings and be alive, etc." route. Then why don't you just outlaw masturbation and jacking off? Why don't you start giving taxes for funding on how to stop women from having their periods and perserving eggs? Sperm and eggs are all a potential humans in the future!

 

So if we can not consider what a unborn human will eventually become, does that make it an ethical act to choose to have an abortion because you will have a perfectly healthy baby that is somehow undesireable in another way?

 

 

If it feels, and it's well into the pregnancy, no.

If it's at the very beginning yes. It's nothing at that time. It doesn't take a fucking genius to decide whether a baby will be bad for you or not, nor does it take 30 weeks.



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luinil on 17 May 2009

I really do like how people pretend to know you and project the beliefs they believe you have onto you. Chill out bub.



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