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theRepublic said:
disolitude said:
 

 

I wouldn't call them dominant in 3 generations. I mean NES sure...SNES not so much. Snes and Genesis pretty close in marketshare for a long time, with Sega getting a lot more profits than ninty in 1993 and 1994.

Wii is Nintendos return to dominating. Everyone keeps pretending like ninty could do no wrong...while they really have not been a dominant sales force since early 90s when it comes to home consoles. Untill the Wii...

In any case the word doomed is an exageration. No one is saying ninty is doomed but some of their consoles like N64, Gamecube were shortchanged due to bad decisions. This is the doom media writes about... Doesn't mean everyone at nintendo is burning in hell...

Nintendo was always more profitable than Sega.  In those two years you named, Nintendo made more than double what Sega did.

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=57802

 

 My bad, I remember reading sega had 65% marketshare in 1993 and 45% in 1994, I assumed it meant bigger profits.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Its still domination, since Snes controlled/was cometitive in more regions than the genesis.

PS3 will never catch up to Wii, Wii is dominant not the 360

The other two console makers are copying nintendo with motion controls,and the massive price drop of the HD twins are entriely due to Wii's dominance

This may be true...alright I give up.

Another question for all of you posting here against me -

You guys really think what Wii is offering is better than what you get with 360/ps3? Like as gamers, is wii the better console in your eyes?

I know its converting the blind and casuals...but I assume if someone is a member on a gaming site they are not casuals. As people that game on a daily basis, is wii the console to own this gen?

Please leave the "people have spoken" and "sales show" out of your explanation...

In your eyes the wii is the gaming system to own this gen?



"I know its converting the blind and casuals"

The fact that you even think of some of the converted players as blind shows that you aren't really looking at what the Wii is doing.



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disolitude said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Its still domination, since Snes controlled/was cometitive in more regions than the genesis.

PS3 will never catch up to Wii, Wii is dominant not the 360

The other two console makers are copying nintendo with motion controls,and the massive price drop of the HD twins are entriely due to Wii's dominance

This may be true...alright I give up.

Another question for all of you posting here against me -

You guys really think what Wii is offering is better than what you get with 360/ps3? Like as gamers, is wii the better console in your eyes?

I know its converting the blind and casuals...but I assume if someone is a member on a gaming site they are not casuals. As people that game on a daily basis, is wii the console to own this gen?

Please leave the "people have spoken" and "sales show" out of your explanation...

In your eyes the wii is the gaming system to own this gen?

Is it so hard to see that people actually enjoy the wii console? The thing sells more than the PS3 and 360 combined so wouldn't that prove that twice as many people like it more than the PS3 and 360?

 EDIT: I refuse to leave sales out of the discussion as that is what determines if a product product is successful or not.



"Pier was a chef, a gifted and respected chef who made millions selling his dishes to the residents of New York City and Boston, he even had a famous jingle playing in those cities that everyone knew by heart. He also had a restaurant in Los Angeles, but not expecting LA to have such a massive population he only used his name on that restaurant and left it to his least capable and cheapest chefs. While his New York restaurant sold kobe beef for $100 and his Boston restaurant sold lobster for $50, his LA restaurant sold cheap hotdogs for $30. Initially these hot dogs sold fairly well because residents of los angeles were starving for good food and hoped that the famous name would denote a high quality, but most were disappointed with what they ate. Seeing the success of his cheap hot dogs in LA, Pier thought "why bother giving Los Angeles quality meats when I can oversell them on cheap hotdogs forever, and since I don't care about the product anyways, why bother advertising them? So Pier continued to only sell cheap hotdogs in LA and was surprised to see that they no longer sold. Pier's conclusion? Residents of Los Angeles don't like food."

"The so-called "hardcore" gamer is a marketing brainwashed, innovation shunting, self-righteous idiot who pays videogame makers far too much money than what is delivered."

disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

He is right, in both of his articles, though he points it out in a way such as is a bit more caustic than is prudent (pot-shots at Sony and Microsoft, etc.)

Nintendo has always been doomed, though for different (and sometimes legitimate) reasons

-The NES was doomed because gaming's future was with the computer
-The Super NES was doomed because they didn't embrace the aging audience like the Genesis did.
-The N64 was doomed because of cartridges (true enough), and also because they didn't embrace the aging audience
-The GameCube was doomed because it had no 3rd party support (kinda), kiddy games, no DVD, and no online
-The Wii is doomed because its an underpowered fad focusing on a fickle audience

The two articles sort of tie together (and tie with a recurring theme of his) that the game industry is removing itself from popular opinion. The industry itself knows what is best for it, and not the consumers. Thus a strong feeling of consensus emerges within the industry, norms that everyone know of come to govern thinking. Nintendo goes against these ideas, and become a pariah. The industry becomes more elitist and arrogant as time passes.

Gamecube was doomed. 5 bucks says that thing lost money. The GBA was selling 10s of millions of consoles per year and tonnes of software and nintendo was having 200 million profits per year.

Nintendo obviously didn't go under becuase of it, but calling something "doomed" is saying its going to fail. And nintendo did have failures in the past.

 

Don't make bets you don't have the money to cover Disolitude. Nintendo doesn't sell their hardware at a loss. That is the biggest reason for them being so profitable. While Sony and MS have a loss leader strategy that requires tremendous software sales to make up for their losses on hardware sales. That post gave me an image of Jack Tretton. It reminded me of when he said he'd give $1200 for every PS3 you found on the store shelves.

 



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@dissolute

Look at the top 50 games for US on the Wii, feck that look at the share of software sales Nintendo has as a first party on this site and relate it to the hardware. ^_^



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Neither of you are answering my question.

Yes you like Nintendo I get it...you want nintendo to do well, I get that too.

But is the Wii offering the best gaming servce to regular gamers right now compared to the other 2 consoles.

Not asking if its selling...or if the masses are enjoying it. I have the Wii, I already have an answer to my question...

But I'd like to see if people that are posing on these sites really hope all 3 consoles have motion controls and casual freindly games.



It's obvious dissilitude thinks the facts are different than what the article stated. He hasn't actually done his homework, and all the replies he's made are based on his own ignorance.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

"But is the Wii offering the best gaming servce to regular gamers right now compared to the other 2 consoles."

Do you understand that "best" means different things to different people? Because I'm not answering that if you're going to make up parameters for who has the better games.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

@ disolitude

You already have your answer and I have mine. I would say "yes" the wii is indeed satisfying my needs as a gamer, I have no need for another gaming console as all my needs are met. As a lifelong gamer I like all types of games, RPG, FPS, RTS...etc. Also included are games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit and Nintendogs. I don't see why people hate those games so much.

What I dislike however are the "birdmen" trying to be nintendo but failing. Malstrom himself has a great article about them BTW.



"Pier was a chef, a gifted and respected chef who made millions selling his dishes to the residents of New York City and Boston, he even had a famous jingle playing in those cities that everyone knew by heart. He also had a restaurant in Los Angeles, but not expecting LA to have such a massive population he only used his name on that restaurant and left it to his least capable and cheapest chefs. While his New York restaurant sold kobe beef for $100 and his Boston restaurant sold lobster for $50, his LA restaurant sold cheap hotdogs for $30. Initially these hot dogs sold fairly well because residents of los angeles were starving for good food and hoped that the famous name would denote a high quality, but most were disappointed with what they ate. Seeing the success of his cheap hot dogs in LA, Pier thought "why bother giving Los Angeles quality meats when I can oversell them on cheap hotdogs forever, and since I don't care about the product anyways, why bother advertising them? So Pier continued to only sell cheap hotdogs in LA and was surprised to see that they no longer sold. Pier's conclusion? Residents of Los Angeles don't like food."

"The so-called "hardcore" gamer is a marketing brainwashed, innovation shunting, self-righteous idiot who pays videogame makers far too much money than what is delivered."