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I don't agree with Obama on that issue and I think he should take a more aggressive stance on it. From a political standpoint, however, it is a smart move. It is still a divisive issue, although in a few decades opposition to gay marriage will be significantly lower as younger generations tend to not care about the issue anywhere near as much as older people.

Take an aggressive stance on too many issues and you will have what I call the "Ron Paul effect" happen to you. Everyone will talk about how great you are, but no one will vote for you.  Obama is a politician who has to make sacrifices sometimes.  Plain and simple.



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akuma587 said:

I don't agree with Obama on that issue and I think he should take a more aggressive stance on it. From a political standpoint, however, it is a smart move. It is still a divisive issue, although in a few decades opposition to gay marriage will be significantly lower as younger generations tend to not care about the issue anywhere near as much as older people.

Take an aggressive stance on too many issues and you will have what I call the "Ron Paul effect" happen to you. Everyone will talk about how great you are, but no one will vote for you.  Obama is a politician who has to make sacrifices sometimes.  Plain and simple.

 

Again, you miss the point of this discussion. This thread has nothing to do with gay marriage, gay marriage is merely the example used to illustrate the double standard.

It could have been an argument on abortion. Both take the same position on it, and one get chastised for it while the other’s views ignored.



I've been working in the lab for 7 months straight, and I've discovered a new compound. I call it Hypocrisy, named after the Greek God Hippocratus.

Hopefully no one else had discovered it yet.



 

 

pakidan101 said:

No one talking about Obama's stance on gay marriage. Ooooohhhh...whoop-de-fucking-doo. I have heard all the reasons...the media goes ga-ga over Obama, Obama is a dictator-in-training, Obama this, Obama that....it really is quite pathetic. Just take all the fanboy rant from either Sony, Microsoft and/or Nintendo's camp and it doesn't even equal to the bullshit put on this.

 

Until Obama's policies actually harm and/or kill people for questionable reasons, any whining right now is just that...whining

So enlighten me on what the real reason is then. That’s all I am asking for. Why is it ok to do this sort of thing?

As for that last line, Obama has chosen to keep the war going, and put more troops in Iraq. Every death there falls on his shoulders. The time for blaming the past is over.

 



MontanaHatchet said:
I've been working in the lab for 7 months straight, and I've discovered a new compound. I call it Hypocrisy, named after the Greek God Hippocratus.

Hopefully no one else had discovered it yet.

 

Did the Greek God Hippocratus make the hippos?



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I am a Pakistani.....my name is Dan....how hard is that? (Don't ask about the 101...apparantely there are more of me out there....)

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pakidan101 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
I've been working in the lab for 7 months straight, and I've discovered a new compound. I call it Hypocrisy, named after the Greek God Hippocratus.

Hopefully no one else had discovered it yet.

 

Did the Greek God Hippocratus make the hippos?

No, and there is no Greek God named Hippocratus. Frankly, I'm more like the father of medicine Hippocrates.

 



 

 

Liberals are innocent until proven guilty

Conservatives are guilty until proven innocent

This is how the media works.



Repent or be destroyed

Ok Mafoo. I'll try to answer your question. The reason it's okay for Obama and not MC is because the people who got so pissed at MC are so amazingly stupid that they think its different for Obama. Simple.



 

 

TheRealMafoo said:
pakidan101 said:

No one talking about Obama's stance on gay marriage. Ooooohhhh...whoop-de-fucking-doo. I have heard all the reasons...the media goes ga-ga over Obama, Obama is a dictator-in-training, Obama this, Obama that....it really is quite pathetic. Just take all the fanboy rant from either Sony, Microsoft and/or Nintendo's camp and it doesn't even equal to the bullshit put on this.

 

Until Obama's policies actually harm and/or kill people for questionable reasons, any whining right now is just that...whining

So enlighten me on what the real reason is then. That’s all I am asking for. Why is it ok to do this sort of thing?

As for that last line, Obama has chosen to keep the war going, and put more troops in Iraq. Every death there falls on his shoulders. The time for blaming the past is over.

 

 

I know where this is going, good sir, and I find it apprehensive, and quite frankly childish yet intellectually done. Instead of ranting like a baby of how Obama is a bad president, he doesn't deserve to hold the highest office, etc., we are instead going to look on his stand on gay marriage (particularly the one made when the debates were going on) and compare it with a beauty pageant contestant and ask why is she being blamed for being prejudice and not the President.

 

The first thing, of course, is why should I care? We have a financial meltdown to take care, housing mortgage upheaval, medical care to fix, two wars being fought, and even pirates to deal with and you want to argue on why no one is talking about Obama on gay marriage? That alone tells me that you are nitpicking here.

 

And the second thing is, knowing your history on Obama and what you just said, I already know that you don't really care about the topic of gay marriage, just why he isn't being blamed for his stance on it. It just seems to be that you created another thread about how the media just adores Obama and never finds fault in him, but the mighty you have finally figured out a flaw!

 

Congratulations good sir! You figured out that Obama is human after all and not the second coming! I apologize for my heavy and obtuse usage of sarcasm here, but don't you think it is quite obvious? Since when did a President not say something in order to become elected, despite it being questionable? This is why I stopped believing in politicians until they provide something that I can count on. Believe me, using Obama's stance on gay marriage and the lack of media attention in order to show that Obama has either power over the media, the "liberal" media lack of attentiveness over "key issues" regarding this new administration, or any other possible hoax stories is as terrible and laughable as the government planning the 9/11 attacks; whether true or not it is true, it doesn't help your case right now.

 

Oh and about your last line on "Obama has chosen to keep the war going, and put more troops in Iraq. Every death there falls on his shoulders. The time for blaming the past is over," is that your final answer? I mean, really? So you would rather have him remove ALL troops from Iraq at once in order to abide by his promise to end the war, despite being a reckless move by Obama and thus creating more enemies than at the start of the war, just so when it crashes and fails as it should, you can say he is a bad President? "Damned if you do, damned if you don't."

 

I hate this war just as much as anybody else...maybe even more. I hate the fact that my Muslim brothers and sisters are dying, all for a cause that proved to be naught. But if the U.S. decides to up and leave Iraq to its own, like they did with Afghanistan against the Soviets, then we will have a bigger threat in the long run, just like Al Qaeda...

 

Sry for the rant.



Explanation of sig:

I am a Pakistani.....my name is Dan....how hard is that? (Don't ask about the 101...apparantely there are more of me out there....)

MontanaHatchet said:
pakidan101 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
I've been working in the lab for 7 months straight, and I've discovered a new compound. I call it Hypocrisy, named after the Greek God Hippocratus.

Hopefully no one else had discovered it yet.

 

Did the Greek God Hippocratus make the hippos?

No, and there is no Greek God named Hippocratus. Frankly, I'm more like the father of medicine Hippocrates.

 

 

.........did the medicine Hippocrates create the hippos?



Explanation of sig:

I am a Pakistani.....my name is Dan....how hard is that? (Don't ask about the 101...apparantely there are more of me out there....)